@PatARG maybe, only if i can..what is it?

dINE,you can make me a favor?

But you guys thinks that the mgs ammo count should be fixed btw? Lol

@ChiChiWerx you can use numberstheman's cannon codes from his flak aa autoturret

@thebanbehindtheslaughter no, I suppose you won’t. Too bad, because I was excited to be able to use the cannons as air to air weaponry. Guess I’ll try the prox fusing trick.

@ChiChiWerx no, i don't think i will.

@thebanbehindtheslaughter wow, just when I thought you might have had me and figured out something I didn’t already know. BTW, an unlisted won’t get removed by the Mods. Only public posts. So, pass me the unlisted link.

@ChiChiWerx no. it is a modification of a p-51 where the only thing i did was add cannons. the mods will remove it.

@thebanbehindtheslaughter you do??? Really? Give me a link to the build you’re using and I’ll evaluate it.

@ChiChiWerx it is possible to do anything in this game if you try really hard. believe me, i play dogfight with cannons as weapons and in most cases it is successful. let's agree to disagree, i don't want to argue.

@thebanbehindtheslaughter it’s not. And I’m platinum, I’ve tried to do so countless times, so trust my experience. I had this exact same conversation with another player who asked me to eval his P-51 (unfortunately can’t remember whom). He had cannons on it and when I told him the cannon issue, he changed back to the normal wing guns when he figured out I was correct. It’s a game limitation on how the cannon round works in game. Still don’t believe me? I invoke @BogdanX to weigh in on this.

@ChiChiWerx it is possible for god's sake.

@ChiChiWerx and saying that it is impossible is a bit stupid. we can argue a lot, but i suggest we just agree to disagree.

@thebanbehindtheslaughter it’s not. And I know you haven’t tried to do it because you don’t believe me. Try it.

@ChiChiWerx it is possible to hit air targets with regular, non-xml-modded cannons.

@thebanbehindtheslaughter well, what you stated earlier was that “explosive rounds and armor penetration rounds should not be available on wing guns”. Explosive rounds are exactly what makes a cannon a cannon, as opposed to a machine gun, which has non-explosive rounds. As for the aiming reticle, you’re correct, it’s adequate, especially with the lead computation incorporated into the game within the past year. But, I guarantee that, no matter the sight you’re using, you will never be able to hit an airborne target using the SP cannon. Guaranteed...try it. First, take a machine gun, either the wing gun or “mini gun”, try and hit an airborne target. Can be done with a little practice, but tough. Then try to do the same with the stock cannon (no proximity fuse). Impossible. This may all be OBE, given the proximity fuse modification, so why are we even arguing the point?

@ChiChiWerx the purpose of cannons here is to be a more powerful wing gun with enhanced air-to-ground characteristics (hence the ability to change ammo types). they can also be used in dogfights. you just need to either make gunsight of your own or just utilise the default air-to-air cannon reticle (which is kind of decent).

@thebanbehindtheslaughter sorry, unclear as to what you mean by “ruin the purpose of cannons”. As for the proximity fuse, haven’t tried it yet, perhaps I should.

@ChiChiWerx and you can make a proximity fuse for cannons if you are savvy in tech

@ChiChiWerx this would ruin the purpose of cannons, then

@thebanbehindtheslaughter why not? The German MG151/15, MG151/20 were both wing mounted cannons and armed the FW-190 among others, as was the Hispano 20 mm cannon, which was wing mounted and armed a number of RAF fighters, including the Spitfire and Hurricane, among others. The Japanese also widely employed 20 mm wing mounted cannons. The USAAF notably skewed towards .50 cal M.G.s, but most other combatants used a number of wing mounted cannons, with explosive shells, due to the fact that a single cannon round could bring down an aircraft, while a single machine gun round didn’t have as much effect. So much so, that nearly every airborne gun these days is a true cannon, including the U.S. M61, the Soviet/Russian GSh-23 and the German/Euro Mauser. As for armor piercing rounds, I cannot think of a single type of aircraft ammo that ISN’T armor piercing to various extents. They’re not sabot rounds, as an MBT would carry, but aircraft rounds, cannon and even the famed .50 cal, are not generally frangible and are generally optimized for armor penetration. SP’s problem with cannon is that it is almost impossible to hit an airborne target, the individual shell needs to actually contact the frame of the build in order to explode and cause damage. Against land targets, the cannon is very effective as the round will contact the “ground”, explode and create damage to objects within a certain radius, much the same way as a bomb works. It is way, way, way easier to hit an airborne target in SP with M.G. rounds. Try it, you’ll see.

@thebanbehindtheslaughter Why not, those types of rounds are available for smaller rounds as well

i know @thebanbehindtheslaughter

@PatARG yeah, but explosive rounds and armor penetration rounds should not be available on wing guns

@thebanbehindtheslaughter ok,just the adjust of caliber of 5.1 (example) to .550
Overall, I didn't mean to say they had high caliber like for example .50