so. some people said F 22 is a PSM plane. and some are not. so im a bit confused wich is the real answer. i also want u to vote
so. some people said F 22 is a PSM plane. and some are not. so im a bit confused wich is the real answer. i also want u to vote
Yes, F-22 have PSM only for Pitch And Yaw.
@Stinkypinky
I really really wanted to call that bullcrap but Ig it's your opinion so who caressssss
Yes! I agree with literally everything said there
@edensk
Anyways let’s just move on
I can’t be bothered arguing over such small things.
@ZeroWithSlashedO It can't roll or yaw in post stall attitude. to me that's not psm.
Thank you, @edensk.
@Kangy
Wait, since when I said "breaking AoA on accident"?
Also no, I'm not gonna be crying about it.
Post stall maneuvering basically consists in having some degree of control after stall, and the only definition I could find is made by the ace combat community so yeah... I'll go by that.
The hornets can technically do post stall maneuvers. The legacy hornet stalls at 35° AoA, but remains quite controllable up to about 55°.
You don't need TVC to maneuver in a stalled condition, other examples of this are some flankers and the MiG-29.
The raptor is even more capable, as it has pitch TVC and probably differential thrust as well.
@Kangy :
There are many videos of F-22s performing PSMs like the falling leaf, go take a look.
@ZeroWithSlashedO is mostly right, extreme sideslip (thus stalling the tail fin(s) ) is also considered a PSM, though I personally think uncontrollable flat spins aren't. And last but not least, the term "breaking aoa" doesn't exist, it's stalling or exceeding critical aoa
@ZeroWithSlashedO you don't just break aoa on accident lol that's not what i'm saying
flatspins on purpose aren't psm entirely because a psm cannot be done purely by aerodynamics so idk what ur point is there
airshow trick bit was a joke dude
i'm not here to argue over what is true / false, you clearly don't want to agree with anyone no matter what side they're on here so yeah cry about it
@Stinkypinky
I say your statement is false.
The Raptor can in fact PSM.
If the low speed you meant is the stall speed, then yeah. But if not, no.
@Kangy
So flatspin on purpose isn't a PSM?
I don't think so.
Yes, you need to execute high AoA in order to stall, but isn't flat spinning have the same basic as stall? It puts your aircraft onto an uncontrolled state.
Also, yes PSM is risky, but it is high rewarding.
...sort of. If used correctly, you can definitely make it to a good use. It's not just an airshow trick, it can be a legitimate tactic.
Also I forgot to mention stall speed.
Basically in which the aircraft would stall, in which the case for the Raptor is 160-180 knots.
@ZeroWithSlashedO Yes you do have to break aoa
if you don't then you're still in flight, hence why it's called "post stall' because it's after stalling which is breaking out of aoa.
the raptor only has pitch tvc and therefore cannot use its engines to roll or yaw so it's too risky for such an aircraft to such manouevres
plus it's just an airshow party trick so :P
No it isn't it can force itself into a stall but it has no low speed roll or yaw capability
@Kangy
Well, the thing is, you can turn the FCS off. And you don't just have to break AoA for a PSM, overruddering also causes PSM.
And, even for an F-22, I can hardly believe that it cannot regain control after something like a Cobra. I mean aircrafts that doesn't have TVC like the Su-27 and MiG-29 can regain control after a cobra. Why not the Raptor?
Yes it can do PSM
But like PSM stands for (post stall manoeuvre) it would need to break AoA to achieve this, something the F-22's fcs doesn't allow for as it would be extremely hard to regain control with only pitch tvc
It has thrust vectoring just not a 3D one and it cannot do such maneuvers like a cobra perfectly it can do pitch all though I do not know if it can do Roll and it cannot do any maneuvers involving yaw control
Perhaps, it might, maybe
get a flanker take the psm button out put it in a f14 and now the plane can do cartwheels
The only thing with the F-22 is that it doesn’t have 3D thrust vectoring like the Su-57. Which means it can do cobras and snap rolls and that sort of thing but not flat spin maneuvers or anything involving yaw
An aircraft can't BE a PSM. But yes, the F-22 can do PSMs. It has thrust vectoring and a greater than 1:1 power to weight ratio
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But the TVC only goes on the pitch axis, not on Roll or Yaw, meaning that the aircraft can only do controlled PSMs with pitching like the Hammerhead, for instance