@ArchOmen its fine

@HudDistance My bad

@ArchOmen well, idk if by 1st gen your talking about the P51, and if so, the P51 isn't actually an 1st Gen, 1st Gens refer to fighter jets from late WW2 to the early cold war era (ME262, F86, etc.)

F 22 will win p 51 has no radar (btw irl) and f22 is to fast for p 51 to catch up

@PvPSky You have a good point, but the stealth part doesn't really matter. 5th gen dogfights and 1st gen dogfights are very similar, because you'll probably see the enemy before radar picks it up.

This is pretty old, but.
A singular P-51 has beaten an F-22. Watch this> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDECY56GHs4

Obviously 150 P-51s. P-51s have shorter turn circles and are much lighter, while speed will not be an issue because in the middle of a dogfight, because it's not very easy to keep up speed.
Most Anti-air missiles depend on radar, sometimes heat signatures. It'll be hard to attack from behind because there's no heat back there, and it will be harder to lock-on thanks to no radar equipment inside of the P-51 and very few electronics it can bounce off of.

F-22 would (Probably) win.

The F22 is too fast for the mustang

The F-22 will fire all missiles at once to an area.

The resulting shockwave will cause a chain reaction destroying most Mustangs.

The F-22 being Superior will elimimate all remaining aircraft. Lol

The Fact that the F-22 will be way faster already gives it a big Advantage. Armor is also a bit better. It also has Stealth to never be spotted by Enemies. A-A Missiles are also a Factor. Pilot Skill too, in which Case the F-22 Pilot has an Advantage. Caliber of the Machine Guns also goes to the F-22. Overall a 1v1 would be obvious, but 1v150 would mix Things up a bit. So I dunno lol

A jerry said he's low on oil. x 1 5 1 e n e m i e s

f-22

@MediocrePlanes i have at
I'm decent but no p-51 I lose most games because I dogfight.

False. The P-51 won the game of Rock Paper Scissors. @DarthAbhinav

Lets just say the F-22 and the P-51 pilots feel guilty about killing off their own people and decide to resolve this on a game of Rock Paper Scissors.

@iiRazor F-22s are flown by the elite of the elite in the USAF.

@MediocrePlanes me 2 I have wt

@MediocrePlanes I have war thunder

P-51

Does anybody else have warthunder? We can test this on a small scale

@RocketLL

Don't forget that the F-22 only carries enough missiles for maybe a dozen enemies max. Standard Air-Air payload is 8 missiles, and it's only got 4 hardpoints for additional missiles.

150 is a ridiculous number of planes - that's like ten full squadrons. I'd take the P-51s on numbers alone. They would definitely suffer heavy losses but once the F-22 is out of missiles it has to get into guns range at pursuit speed on single targets, leaving it open to attack. I'm sure that 150 half-decent WWII pilots with some coordination could down the F-22 eventually, especially if it tries to land and re-stock on missiles.

@XVIindustries the original vhallenge actually was 100 spitfires. I just wanted to change it a bit

If you said 150 spitfires I would be like, yeah, they would win but since you picked the les maneuverable mustang I will have to say no

If F-22 has no fuel at all, P-51 will win. Is the ONLY way! :D

There's also tactics. An F-22 with it's far superior TWR would have an easy time booming and zooming, if it ever came down to visual range combat. @RocketLL