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Variations : Spam Or Creativity ?

58.3k NewWorldAerospace  5 months ago

Hi, Im OkaNieba, And I Usually Make A Whole Goddamn Family Of An Aircraft Model, So It Is Gonna Be A Nice Collection (Either Based/Using Other People Aircrafts Or Mine)

But, Some People Here Hates That, They Said That Making Such As Variations Is Part Of Spamming. Meanwhile I Already Worked So Hard That I Must Do Research And Paying Attention To Small Details To Prevent Errors (And Still... Sometimes I Do That Kind Of Mistakes)

I Doesn't Mean To Post (Being Lazy And Just Mass Produce A Thing), I Just Want To Represent All Forgotten And Least Known Variant Of A Well Known Aircraft Model, I Also Want To Show Their Evolution, And Lastly Want To Create Something Called History And Variation. Is All Combined/Sumarised In/As A Two Main Reason, Education And Intertainment, Another Way Of Creativity

Yeah, Education. Why ? Coz Lot Of People Failed When Making A Specific Least Known Variants (Example, Some People When Making The F-15J From A F-15C Without Paying Attention To Their Tiny Details Like Antena, Or Making MiG-29UPG/SMT From A MiG-29S Without Adding A Humpback CFT).

And The Other Thing Is... (But) Why Anyone Complaining About This To Me Only, When Other People Doing The Same/Similiar Things Like MAPA and Even "Big Players" Like GalaticAsia (Who Sometime Create A Even More Variations Like Series, Engines, And Even Winglets/tips Options) And No One Complaining Abt Them.

What Do You Think About This Guys ? I Need Your Suggestion, Your Opinion.

Sorry For Bad English, And Thankyou.

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    @ShiroNeko Yeah I Know, I Posted Too Frequently And Too Much. About Those WIP, I Published It Because I Want To Show Anyone That Its My First Aircraft And I Made It By My Ownself (I Got PTSD After Some Anonymous Paper Accs Attacking My Acc Complaining Abt Overusing RD Aircrafts). Also I Want To Show Its Process, And Letting People Give Their Opinions Or Even Helping Me To Either Fix/Improove Or Completing This Before Its Completed.
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    Also, About Minor Modifications. Well I Think It Is Supposed To Be Fine Since Other Players Like GalaticAsia Sometimes Do The Same Thing (Example : He Made A 767 Family, With 2 Series Variants (-200 & -300), Each Series Got Both 3 Engine And 2 Winglet Options. So Total There Is 12 Variations)
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    And You Right, I Must Being More Wise Next Time

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    Yea I Feel Offended Mainly Because I Can Feel There Is Something Like Double Standards

    Like Why Anyone Complaining About This To Me Only, When Other People Doing The Same/Similiar Things Like MAPA and Even "Big Players" Like GalaticAsia (Who Sometime Create A Even More Variations Like Series, Engines, And Even Winglets/tips Options) And No One Complaining Abt Them.

    The Point Is I Feel... Unfair...

    Sorry For Anyone, And Thankyou
    (Main Article Redacted)

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    73.9k Monarchii

    be more evil, evil enough to ignore the lowly peasant who tries to bring you down, become the demon lord of doom and take over the world, you can do it >:3

    +1 4 months ago
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    honestly i dont see anything wrong with it but you're kinda "making a storm in a glass of water" if you know what i meant

    +1 5 months ago
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    59.8k TheMouse

    This may be some big drama situation I dont know about, so forgive me if I misunderstand. But imo, the best thing is to post the best one publicly, and then the other variants unlisted, and put links to the other versions in the description of the main post. People can still see them all, but it will not be spam.
    However, posting the WIP planes I definitely thing is spam. Make teasers in the forums, but wip are just annoying.

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    32.1k ShiroNeko

    No problem, I just wanted to say what my thoughts are about the matter.

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    @IQinventory Thanks Bud

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    37.3k IQinventory

    @OkaNieba i can you are an overthinker seing how creative you are .dont take personally .i know a few good hitmen if you are intrested😜😜. as for my support ofcourse ,we need people like you here

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    32.1k ShiroNeko

    Firstly, variations are good, but only if the difference is noticeable (visually or performance wise). There is no rule about creating a variation of another build (saying the build is a replica that has different models) but if the variation of the build is simply the paintjob, a difference of propeller count, or none at all then it is just spam.
    I am aware as to why this forum was created, and I understand it. No offense, but you even uploaded an unfinished version of the C-130 even though you could just have made an unlisted. If I were to guess, this is because you were near to being Platinum. Although again, I did not really check the variations you made from the C-130 so I cannot tell if it's either just spam or whatever it is you're trying to do.
    Second, not because you were hit with a criticism, you are hated (or what you do is hated). Sometimes, you have to accept that criticism and not make a passive-aggressive forum post.

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    @IQinventory But Still, I Feel Presured When Someone Is Hating Me (Yes Im Overthinker)

    And Yeah... Oneday If There Is Too Much Complains (Yea Im Tired Facing This Same Problem Since 2 Years Ago, Even One Of My Friend Quited Just Because Of This Issue) Maybe I'll Just Leaving... Slowly. Facing Into The End Of Oka Nieba...

    Thanks For The Support Btw...

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    37.3k IQinventory

    I love your many veriants .
    and anything i can help you with.

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    37.3k IQinventory

    I pesonally love your work .
    different variante of aircrafts with good attentin to detail. i'd say keep it up.
    if we all did the same thing then it would very boring. and i'd say do what you feel is best dont let peoples opinion sway your judgmet

    +1 5 months ago
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    @OkaNieba And Once Again, It Is Not Only Talking About You Tho*

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    @ShinyGemsBro Also I Doesn't Mean To Compare Your And Mine Works, Just To Explain/Reclassify Modification Into Two Categories (1. Paint/Livery , 2. Physical/Characteristic) And Sorry If You Feel Being Compared

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    @ShinyGemsBro Umm Okay I Understand.

    Firstly I Deeply Apologize, To Creating This Forums And About The "Them" Here Is Not Only Talking About You.

    Tbh I Just Tired Of Reading And Replying A Same Question That Sometimes (Or.. Always) Apeaered In My Comment Section. It Is About Spamming, Variations, And Modifying Someone's Post.

    Also, Once Again, I Deeply Apologize, To You Tonight.

    Also, Thanks Bud

    I Don't Want To Extend This Miss Conception Into A Drama

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    46.1k ShinyGemsBro

    For those tuned in to this forum and what he's describing,
    he's talking about these.
    I'm the guy in question that he feels betrayed about, and is putting a hit on in this forum.
    And allow me to just sum things up that are spoken of in this post in the simplest but easy to understand method that I can.


    • This all stemmed from me asking why he would use the same plane model over and over 14 times in a row, which was a C-130, as shown here

    • Me and him do very similar things, and both require a good amount of effort to create and make possible, and he just downplayed what I do in comparison to his, which is directly claiming that he's better. (Calm down, I never said I was either.)

    • While his intention of educating people of these plane variants is in of itself not bad, you really can't deny he used the same C-130 model repeatedly, which itself is obvious spam in the most physical sense.

    • I don't want to sound or look like some pile of dirt on your side, but you and I never talked alot, I know you, but we're not acquainted enough. You just kept tagging me in your builds that I didn't ask to be tagged in, and I don't recall you defending me against anyone as far as I'm aware or made aware of.

    • This could just very well be a nitpick of sorts but while you have your attention to detail, majority of the community wouldn't really care much about them. They see good build, simple or whatnot, and download + upvote. Done deal.


    And the fact that you were obliged to make a forum post like this tells that you really took everything I said in the worst way possible and you made me look like I'm some pile of trash for just being straight with you.

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    @Maverick09 Also, Good News, My F-35C Is Ready, Just Need To Wait To Wait Till Tomorrow (Post Limitation Per Day)

    5 months ago
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    @HazeX Thanks Bud

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    7,568 HazeX

    I feel like those kinds of people are either jealous and/or don’t pay attention to specific details that make the variant different from the rest (like tiny antennas and even internal sensors). But don’t worry, I support you since I basically do the same thing, just fictional variants.

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    2,540 Zhixunlin23

    @OkaNieba there are a lot of people who appreciate your builds and what you have done don’t let one person’s opinion get into your head (maybe they are having a bad day or just jealous)

    +2 5 months ago
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    34.8k Dissent3R

    Do whatever you want, whoever doesn't like it can cry about it

    +3 5 months ago
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    @MAPA @Maverick09 @Zhixunlin23 Thanyouu For Your Opinion

    Tbh Thats Saving OkaNieba (Me) From Ending My Vision And Quitting From SP Community

    Once Again, Thanks Allott Budd(s)

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    240k MAPA

    It's like @Zhixunlin23 described below, you're creating a window of opportunity for users to choose what they really want. I am also doing the exact same thing with my latest planes, I intend to create all variants of the A320, 737, E-jets and Bombardier family. But I always avoid polluting the first page with my aircrafts as much as possible.

    +2 5 months ago
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    26.2k Maverick09

    @OkaNieba if (please do) you do a different aircraft like the F-35, it should have various versions. Like normal A/B/C livery but some unique ones to. Like Aggressor A model, Bat B model, and Shiny C model.

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    2,540 Zhixunlin23

    @OkaNieba as I had said in your other post you actually give people a choice on what they want, not like I want a f-111B, here’s a f-111A shut up and deal with it.

    +2 5 months ago
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