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i need to draw attention to this

1,017 jpower  8.4 years ago

I noticed on my post about changing the site I never posted any proof of my claims that if your not lucky then your plane will disappear in the newest section. well here is some proof of planes that are now long gone forever.

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great things that a normal browser will never get to see. that is why I'm gonna start a little thing where every week people can submit creations to me and at the end of the week I will make a post with links to all the planes submitted to me. also a section of that post will have a special area for people who submit their planes to me who think they have been forgotten and I will draw light to them.

THIS IS NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST OR A WAY TO SPAM PLANES. rather this is a chance for low tier users to get noticed in a better more enjoyable way. this is not an easy way to get advertised either. its just a showcase I'm doing at the end of every week. please tell me your opinions on this and tell me if you want to submit a plane :)

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    5,078 MikuKat
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    And just so you know... it wasn't me or Squirrel that temp banned you. One of the, in your words, more "competent" moderators looked at the way the situation played out and deemed it fitting to temp ban you due to some of your words and actions. @Flamingbolt

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    @Flamingbolt you know that using an alternate account to circumvent a ban is against the rules and could result in a permanent IP ban. I don't know why you would risk losing access to this community like that.

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    nuuuu not the ban hammer its for language isn't it XD

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    1,017 jpower

    @KCferrari sound advice. but I think you should tell new players this. don't waste it on me :)

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    18.8k KCferrari

    @jpower Well, if you have a creation that you know is your pride and joy, you need to go all the way. Create a forum post to generate interest, create improvements based on feedback from others, and when its time to release it, drop that upload with a bunch of eye catching screenshots in a time when nothing but yours stands out, and tag everyone who was interested in it. If this was a post about an epic work in progress, you'd have a good amount of interest.

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    1,017 jpower

    @KCferrari I know that but with numbers like only one or two upvotes it wont be there for more than a few minutes. I have a 7 upvote plane that was gone from the hottest section in 20 minutes and 7 upvotes to me is huge. I was blown away by it. I'm saying unless people get noticed like that their creations will be in the spotlight for only a few minutes.

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    1,017 jpower

    @SigmaTwelve that's what I do. I'm just encouraging others to do the same and for devs to.make it easier :)

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    18.8k KCferrari

    @jpower Surely you realise that whenever a plane on the newest page gets upvoted even once, it runs down from the top of the hottest page, right? The newest page is basically the junk filter, and after one upvote it gets a nice long chance in the eyes of many.

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    1,017 jpower

    @KCferrari I don't think your getting my point. I'm not talking about new players content. I'm a dressing the fact that new planes hardly ever get any attention which leads to new players quitting and the forums blowing up in ads. I'm saying that more attention on the newest page is an absolute must. it should be the main page of the entire site. if a new player has bad content then their creations getting lost is understandable. however if a player does not even get the chance to show something amazing then that's another story. this is all about giving people a chance. I was givin a chance from big players despite the bad stuff I did when I started. I am doing the same for others. I'm asking people to give the new planes section a look at least once a day because every body on this game deserves a chance. that's something you can't argue about.

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    3,273 SigmaTwelve

    I was merely using you as an example. I'm aware this isn't about you, you've made that clear. I recommend, to help new players, browse the New Planes tab, if you see cool stuff, comment and Upvote. Heck, even comment and Upvote if it looks like someone's first plane. @jpower

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    1,017 jpower

    @SigmaTwelve how many times do I have to say it. this is not about me. it's about the low rank users. I don't care about me. I just have fun posting my creations because I love the game.

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    1,017 jpower

    @Squirrel I admit that me not doing anything with those planes was a mistake but it does not mean that I don't help people. I try my best to help everyday. I see you don't want a part in this anymore though. you gave me helpful feedback and I am grateful for it. bye

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    18.8k KCferrari

    @jpower I'm not really trying to shut you down. Encouraging new players is always a good thing to do, but at the same time, its a punishing world and the players demand the best content. The masses will decide who succeeds. Those who truly wish to succeed will do so through their own means. If someone isn't successful and they care, they will take it upon themselves to figure out why. There are also many casual players who just toss out a plane or two and are happy with 20 downloads and a comment saying "cool stuff", so I feel you're sort of blowing this out of proportion, personally.

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    3,273 SigmaTwelve

    It's up to the community to decide what's good. You may like your planes and think they deserve upvotes, but that dude sitting on his tablet over there playin SP might disagree, and not Upvote it. If people think it's good and cool, they'll Upvote it. Remember, everyone here was at some point a low level builder that no one ever seen nor cared about. Well all get gold and platinum one day if we just keep at it @jpower

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    @jpower You missed my point. I personally have no problem with you commenting/upvoting on planes from low rank users, good on you, it's nice to see the community doing what it can to prop up the new users. BUT, that's NOT what Latent and I are trying to get you to see.
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    The point is, you called out users to vote and comment on planes that you yourself have NOT commented or upvoted on, which is hypocritical, no matter how you cut it. The excuse that "it keeps them untouched" is quite frankly, the WORST excuse I've heard for not upvoting an upload. They aren't endangered animals, they aren't Pandora's box and they certainly don't need to have their descriptions read out on you local wildlife trust's next board meeting. They're planes. The planes of low ranked users at that. You called pulled them up and said: "hey look at these, upvote and comment on them." which is good. BUT. The fact you literally called everyone else out for not doing something that you yourself aren't doing on the planes YOU called out, to be blunt, is rude and hypocritical.
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    "But the feelings of new players is just something you cannot feel anymore." Up until a few months ago, I was a nobody on this site. I still remember what it was like and earlier posts confirm this: I did not in the slightest bit care for how many points I got. I uploaded planes because I liked to and I thought it would be nice for the select few that did notice me to try out what I was bringing to the table. Sure, it was nice to have upvotes and comments, but they were few and far between, and that didn't matter. What get's you noticed is blood sweat and tears. You have to integrate with the community, help others out, and most importantly be resilient and patient. You don't sit there winging, wining and waiting for people to give you a special shout out. Arguably, what you're doing is singling out your preferences on what's good without consideration for others and giving them special attention that they probably don't deserve. That's not promotion, that's manipulation of the site and the ranks of the members, which in my humble opinion is morally wrong.
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    I'm done here. Ask for other mod's if you want, no doubt they'll say roughly the same as Latent and I have said.

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    1,017 jpower

    @KCferrari the point is most new users are quitting rather than giving themselves time to improve and get noticed. I'm trying to raise awareness to those users as a way of saying that rather than turning our backs on these people we should welcome them with open arms. my resolve is not perfect and you will probably reply with a comment trying to shut me down like many others have, but I know that if there is any way I can bring something good to the community then this is the way. I will help the new guys.

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    18.8k KCferrari

    As newer users, you need to accept that you won't be immediately popular. The lesser planes will generally be less noticed, while the better ones will move up in the ranks, and their creators will slowly gain a following. As their content improves, so does their success. I mean no offense to the creators of the planes on the list here, but they simply don't live up to the quality of the planes on the top charts. When there is a true gem among them though, they commonly get featured, though many will still fade away unnoticed, which is inevitable. So that said.. I really don't see a point to this.

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    1,017 jpower

    @Squirrel I keep telling you that I upvote and comment on many new planes everyday, I can comment on my examples right now if it will satisfy you. you may not notice me helping new players because I've never announced things like this until now. the reason I've never posted like this is because I've never felt so sad towards the community before. I was in that position of small player and I still am now. I used to complain just like them. many remember when I almost caused many big players to reset their accounts over rage of people complaining over points. I feel that type of rage towards people not getting noticed. I'm just asking for people to consider moving the newest section to the main page of the site. again, I don't expect you to understand. your very well known and your a moderator of the site. you got it good and you should be happy for yourself. but the feelings of new players is just something you cannot feel anymore. I am helping people, but until now I did it quietly and without causing commotion. for example I've been helping kingdeadshot on his website where he features new players planes in a top ten style. I never made a big deal about it. that's why you never knew I was helping new players all along. if you think I'm going about this all wrong that's fine. I will learn and get better but I'm not going to stop.

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    @jpower Those planes aren't some kind of Pandora's box that if touched lets all hell loose. No it's not easy being a low ranked player. I know, I had to stick it out for about a year as a bronze player and I had nobody backing up my creations apart from about five followers.
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    And you've just countered yourself again: "I would have quit by now if a few certain big players had not helped me and gave me some advice". Which is exactly what you haven't done for these players. They need advise and encouragement, how do you think they feel when the one person that tries to promote their stuff hasn't even bothered to comment or upvote it? That would cheese me off to no end.
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    I respect your intentions and that you want to give the low ranked users a help in hand, but to be brutally honest, you've gone about it in completely the wrong way.

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    1,017 jpower

    @TheLatentImage that's a bit hypocritical of you when you started by saying my resolve is "ridiculous" and people should not do it. also I'm not telling people to upvote new please or else. I'm spreading awareness for a section that is clearly neglected. every time I see the new section it's almost always 0 or 1 upvote. I was impressed when I actually saw a 5 on something. I'm actually laughing a bit when you say only a few planes are neglected. the truth is only a few planes are noticed. and they are not noticed by detail. trust me, they are only noticed by name. if it's someone like spiritus raptor expect 10 or more upvotes. if it's a new player... well I got nothing. big players don't understand these issues because everything they make gets good attention. I got 7 updates on a jet and nearly jumped for joy and yelled a bit. pros would be disappointed at that. I just don't think you understand my motives and I'm sorry if they are becoming annoying to you but its something in this community that I want to change with all the power I have even if it amounts to nothing.

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    1,017 jpower

    @Squirrel I actually download and upvote many new planes. I just chose not to upvote these planes as a way to show what they were like when I found them. it's a way to show big players that not everyone is so lucky. I respect your opinion but I refuse to stop helping new players at all costs. it's something I don't want to let go of. I would have quit by now if a few certain big players had not helped me and gave me some advice. I want to be like them now and help the new players. you don't have to agree with me and you can pick out all the errors I make but it's not gonna stop me. sorry if I offended you. I feel like I did a bit :D

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    Right.... nothing I said to you was rude by any stretch of the imagination. I we merely pointing out a glaring flaw in whatever it is that you're trying to do here. And your recourse is to curse, call people names, and say rude and demeaning things to me rather than talk to me in a more "civil, and understanding way." Your words and actions have done yourself no favors.
    The fact of the matter is that people do browse the newest section and they vote on things as they wish. It isn't your responsibility or even your place to try to sway other users free will to vote on what they please. If someone wants to vote on something then they will, if they don't then they won't. Your argument here is old and tired, it's something that is brought up time and time again by people who don't understand the things I've mentioned above.
    Sometimes things do get overlooked, but that doesn't happen near as often as some believe. If someone doesn't put the time and effort into creating unique and original content that shows obvious thought and work, or they don't put the effort into interacting with the community in a positive and constructive way then it isn't surprising when they're stuff gets glossed over in favor of desings and users who have done those two things.
    As it stands, your words and actions have missed the mark my friend.

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    1,017 jpower

    @MasterMindIndustries lol didn't know that. I will remember XD. sorry seran

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    oh man that last paragraph line 6-7 XD @Squirrel

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