@DeezDucks The J-20 has some serious RCS issues, though. Example: canards: these state their appearance in the same way as the next. The engines: they sounds intoxicating, but are by no means quiet.
@MaximusTheMinimus The J-20 looks too big to me. I quite like the J-31's appearance, looks like the mid and front section of a F-35 and the rear of an F-22.
@DeezDucks because of that you can recover the aircraft and accelerate again as it has Vertical thrust capabilities. ( more that 1 on the Power-to-Weight ratio )
@DeezDucks On the "pilot didn't prepare" scenario the plane could lose energy, but the TVC doesn't care if you stay at the same throttle level. The faster you go, the less and less airolons do because of pressure on them, and at low speed there's isn't enough air over them. So TVC is a major part of its maneuvering capability.
@MaximusTheMinimus As I stated if you don't perform the maneuver correctly and kill your opponent, you may be left in a vulnerable position for a while where you lost your speed advantage.
@DeezDucks I recognize that most Air-to-Air conflicts are BVR, and WVR are very rare. Despite that, Even 2D Vectoring can help with dodging missiles, which is always important. In war games, it's not entirely accurate as if you get a prolonged lock that is considered a kill. There for Raptors could survive against multiple missiles as long as it could out maneuver them. Eurofighters and F-16 are a couple examples of highly maneuverable, non TVC aircraft. they are meant to be unstable and that's why they are so agile. TVC helps the manueverability on the aircraft without making it unstable.
What I don't understand is what you mean by the aircraft's "vulnerability" from the TVC. It helps get it to a higher AoA and gives it more agility. Yes it loses energy, but it does not make it " weaker " in any real aspect.
@MaximusTheMinimus The majority of air combat today is taken from standoff or beyond visual range. The F-22 is good in this regard but during the Red-Flag training exercise, German Eurofighter Typhoons scored some "kills" against the F-22. The F-22 uses TVC to get the edge on opponents in a dogfight but if the pilot doesn't prepare the shot right he could place himself in a position where the plane has lost a lot of momentum and therefor, maneuverability. It's not really a huge flaw but it certainly still is a flaw nonetheless.
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@DeezDucks if you want to talk about energy loss, look at Russia's TVC aircraft. The PAK FA is a great example. I don't believe that the Raptor is put into "vulnerable" situations when using it's vectoring. There are official notes of test dogfights between 5 F-15s and in another 4 F-16s, and the F/A-22 came out on top. ( And that was the pre-production ) Even in a test with 8 Eagles and 2 Raptors, it still won. See what I mean about it's "vulnerability"?
augmentation of thrust direction, it's become a sort of "standard" for any 5th generation fighters. The F-22 Raptor has thrust vectoring but it's said that doing it makes the aircraft lose its momentum and puts it into a vulnerable position.
In aircraft, changing the direction of thrust to enable vertical takeoffs or landings or to enable extreme maneuvering. Aircraft with thrust vectoring include the AV-8B Harrier and the F-22 Raptor, among others. In SP, there is a VTOL engine and separate nozzles you can use together to impart thrust vectoring to a build.
@DeezDucks The J-20 has some serious RCS issues, though. Example: canards: these state their appearance in the same way as the next. The engines: they sounds intoxicating, but are by no means quiet.
@MaximusTheMinimus The J-20 looks too big to me. I quite like the J-31's appearance, looks like the mid and front section of a F-35 and the rear of an F-22.
@DeezDucks I guess we'll wait for the PAK FA, J-20, and J-31 to let us find out.
@DeezDucks because of that you can recover the aircraft and accelerate again as it has Vertical thrust capabilities. ( more that 1 on the Power-to-Weight ratio )
@MaximusTheMinimus I guess. Well, lets wait for an actual conflict with the F-22 to find out.
@DeezDucks On the "pilot didn't prepare" scenario the plane could lose energy, but the TVC doesn't care if you stay at the same throttle level. The faster you go, the less and less airolons do because of pressure on them, and at low speed there's isn't enough air over them. So TVC is a major part of its maneuvering capability.
@MaximusTheMinimus As I stated if you don't perform the maneuver correctly and kill your opponent, you may be left in a vulnerable position for a while where you lost your speed advantage.
@DeezDucks I recognize that most Air-to-Air conflicts are BVR, and WVR are very rare. Despite that, Even 2D Vectoring can help with dodging missiles, which is always important. In war games, it's not entirely accurate as if you get a prolonged lock that is considered a kill. There for Raptors could survive against multiple missiles as long as it could out maneuver them. Eurofighters and F-16 are a couple examples of highly maneuverable, non TVC aircraft. they are meant to be unstable and that's why they are so agile. TVC helps the manueverability on the aircraft without making it unstable.
What I don't understand is what you mean by the aircraft's "vulnerability" from the TVC. It helps get it to a higher AoA and gives it more agility. Yes it loses energy, but it does not make it " weaker " in any real aspect.
@MaximusTheMinimus The majority of air combat today is taken from standoff or beyond visual range. The F-22 is good in this regard but during the Red-Flag training exercise, German Eurofighter Typhoons scored some "kills" against the F-22. The F-22 uses TVC to get the edge on opponents in a dogfight but if the pilot doesn't prepare the shot right he could place himself in a position where the plane has lost a lot of momentum and therefor, maneuverability. It's not really a huge flaw but it certainly still is a flaw nonetheless.
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Russians have the Cobra maneuver, which they utilize the energy loss to gain advantage to Raptors.
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@DeezDucks if you want to talk about energy loss, look at Russia's TVC aircraft. The PAK FA is a great example. I don't believe that the Raptor is put into "vulnerable" situations when using it's vectoring. There are official notes of test dogfights between 5 F-15s and in another 4 F-16s, and the F/A-22 came out on top. ( And that was the pre-production ) Even in a test with 8 Eagles and 2 Raptors, it still won. See what I mean about it's "vulnerability"?
augmentation of thrust direction, it's become a sort of "standard" for any 5th generation fighters. The F-22 Raptor has thrust vectoring but it's said that doing it makes the aircraft lose its momentum and puts it into a vulnerable position.
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In aircraft, changing the direction of thrust to enable vertical takeoffs or landings or to enable extreme maneuvering. Aircraft with thrust vectoring include the AV-8B Harrier and the F-22 Raptor, among others. In SP, there is a VTOL engine and separate nozzles you can use together to impart thrust vectoring to a build.
Thrust vectoring is when you change the direction of the thrust of an engine. It enables you to do 2D or 3D flight.
When u vector thrust
Thrust vectoring changes The direction of thrust.