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You think you guys could lay off each other? I'd rather not have to take further action, but if this rivalry continues, o will have to. @TheGamingChicken507 @Pokennugget107
@jw1523 my biggest only just fits on the runway at Wright (I think that's the name of it) airport. It's on my to uploads list too, not sure when though.
@AviownCorp Like I say, for the application, delta wings might not be the best idea for a slow prop plane. If it was fast (and I'm talking near Mach 1) then it would be appropriate as delta wings (or swept wings in general) delay the onset of shock waves.
@SimpleTechAndResearch I will at some point, it's just a matter of when.
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@Areonautics3 Awesome. Would be nice to see your take on it and contrast it with other peoples.
@SimpleTechAndResearch We need all the Es-1s we can get. I'm thinking about making an updated one too XD
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@Areonautics3 How's the progress coming along(assuming you're still working on it?)? Also, sorry I didn't reply, I was having a few issues back then.
@AviownCorp Delta wings are more for high speed aircraft and a generally not suitable for prop planes. For example, Concorde needed a high angle of attack when handing in order to maintain a steady decent rate because its wings weren't equipped to fly at low speeds efficiently.
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I would suggest a more traditional layout, but if you want to go adventurous, look at different wing types and decide what's best for your needs.... A canard layout might be good too.
@AviownCorp Like I say, I know nothing about motorcycles... However, a quick google image search shows these. Again, you shouldn't be using gears on an engine unless you're just using it to step down power from an engine. To control speed, you must only use the throttle (assuming the prop is fixed). Gears add unneeded complexity, inefficiency and can lead to maintenance problems later on.
@AviownCorp How would you go about covering the ribs in aluminium?And you can't add gears to increase power as such. If you use step down gears, you decrease the speed of the prop, but increase the torque. Similarly, step up gears decrease torque, but increase speed.
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If you want to go all electric, it MIGHT be worth waiting it out a little bit. Mainly because battery technology is advancing, and carbon nanotube batteries/supercapacitors are ever so slowly coming into existence. They offer a massive advantage over Lithium Ion batteries as they are should charge up in a few seconds (maybe minutes depending on capacity) as they should be capacitors and not traditional batteries, but they can store more electricity in a similar sized unit. I think it would be a lot lighter too. But, I'm not sure when that kind of tech is coming out. Perhaps it could be an upgrade plan for you.
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One thing to bare in mind is that batteries are quite heavy. I have a 22,400 mAh battery and it probably weighs about the same as half a brick and is about the size of half a brick. Scaled up (you'd need a lot of mAh to get a decent flight in) you're probably looking at something that's quite heavy. I could be wrong, my power bank could be heavy for other reasons, however, it might be worth bearing in mind. That said, a motor is lighter than an engine, so that might compensate.
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Also, back on the topic of electric motors and controlling speed; you could probably get away with something similar to a variable resistor to control the RPM of the motor, which you could then link directly to the throttle stick. Alternatively, you could use a variable frequency drive unit, which I think would be more efficient as it varies the frequency of the electricity instead of resisting it, but you'd have to use an AC motor instead of DC, which means you'll need an inverter to convert the DC power from the battery into AC. However, if you did go down the route of a DC motor (which you seem more set on doing) I'd recommend a brushless motor as they have less mechanical parts (aka no carbon brushes) and thus are more efficient and reliable, more specifically, if possible a shunt wound motor. I think they're a bit harder to start but they're more robust in terms of electric loads and tend not to stall when they run into problems with physical loads which are too high. If you're after AC you have a choice of Synchronous and Induction. I'm not that well versed in those kinds of motor, so I'll let you l
@EnderWiggin I wouldn't say it's a fact. We run through the reports on aircraft every day and weed out those that go against the rules. If a upload only has a couple of minor changes, then it gets removed. Sure, some slip through the filter and they always will, nothing is perfect, but we do our best to keep things in order.
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Publicly humiliating moderators through an opinion based forum post is not the way forward. It makes us a lot less inclined to deal with any problems or gripes that you have. Next time could you please tag a moderator on the aircraft that you think is violating the rules, that way we can look at and deal with the problem a lot quicker and efficiently as we don't need to deal with posts like this and/or ask for links to the offenders.
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Could you provide links for the matter at handand and I will look into it?
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@AviownCorp Regarding materials and joining, I think you would need to consult someone that knows a bit more on the topic than I do. Personally, nails are a temporary fixture and can be removed. I can't help but feel engine vibrations over a long period might loosen them. Screws might be a better bet, but again, they're temporary.
As for materials. Wooden wings might be too heavy... assuming the panels are wood too. I'd suggest either aluminium/wood for ribs/stringers and a canvas overlay to make up the actual aerofoil.
@AviownCorp Also, I don't own a motorcycle, nor am I really too interested in the engineering behind them, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a more sophisticated version of an ordinary bike. Anyhow, props are generally driven by direct drive/fixed gears. If you're using a fixed prop, then you'd be controlling the speed of the aircraft by opening/closing the throttle. Depending on the engine's power, you might need some step down gears in order to make the prop more efficient (otherwise it breaks the sound barrier and all sorts of nasty stuff happens), however, if you use a low power engine, you could probably get away with direct drive... I think the latter would be more efficient overall as there's less mechanical parts and there's obviously the reduced chance of failure due to the lack of excess mechanical parts.
@AviownCorp The problem with older aircraft is that they tend to need a bit more skill to fly. The aircraft you named seems to have a large rudder, which generally means an unstable aircraft. At least that's what a guy who specialises in that kind of aircraft flight told me... Don't quote me on this, but I recall him saying you need a licence to fly aircraft like that... Might be wrong though, the presentation was over a year ago.
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Again, propulsion and wings wise, you would have to list the characteristics you want your plane to have. If you want it to be efficient at low altitude and low speed, then a prop driven biplane would be the way to go. If you want something a bit faster then a high or low wing monoplane would be better depending on what kind of stability you're after.
@Johndfg You literally just quoted everything I said on a comment. That doesn't help matters at all for anyone wanting to see exactly what it is I said wrong.
@Nickasaurus The link you sent was for an aircraft produced by a company... They already have the tools and people to make them. On top of that they can get discounts on the raw materials for buying in bulk. As someone who has studied management, I can confirm it is a lot more expensive to build something as a one off than something that's mass produced.
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Take a look at cars. Compare the cheapest to the most expensive brand. Sure, the brands will bump up prices, but the majority of the cost is because the item is specialised and a one off, thus new tools and materials need to be bought, which bumps up the price.
@Nickasaurus It depends on how many people the aircraft would seat. Presumably if it's for transport and the fact the OP has a son, I would assume a two seater aircraft. The OP could probably buy a load of cheap parts too. But we are given little information to work with. Presumably, if it's a two seater aircraft then it is fixed wing, so solid materials will be needed for framework such as stringers, ribs, maybe some skin panels. Then you've got the fuel tanks on top of that, then there's the engine, cabling, flight instruments which can be upwards of £50+ per unit (and that's second hand for ones that probably don't work anymore), etc. Of course you then have to get a pilots licence, which even in america isn't by any means cheap and you'll probably need to rent storage, then there's the certification, maintenance, replacement parts, parachute. Then you have to pay the welders, riveters, perhaps those installing the flight instruments. I mean, at the end of the day, you're probably talking about ten grand just for the short term. So no... it won't be cheap. Also, some airfields will charge for landing on their land... even if it's just a field.
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With a UAV, it will be cheaper. I was part of a team project and we worked out that it cost about £350 (give or take) to make a UAV from scratch. Now, as I said before, if the OP knows he has the time, money and knowledge to carry it all out, then he can do it, as I've stated numerous times before, it's not impossible. Besides, I was merely suggesting... I feel like people are making mountains out of molehills here.
@Johndfg I appreciate you're discussing this in a biased manner in another chat and that your fully in support with @EternalDarkness as a result.
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But, I never set out to prove anyone wrong. His original point was that it was doable, and on a number of accounts I agreed with him. If you would care to read, you'll find that I was literally only saying that it would be difficult to do and that it it would be more financially worth while in investing in UAV parts... That was literally all I was saying...
@kukimuki1234 We can't change them as such. Once they're on the featured list, they stay until another take its place, then it moves down the line, removing the 4th plane on the list. We could feature another plane today, but I personally haven't yet seen anything I would personally deem feature worthy.
@EternalDarkness And the large sum of money yes, it is doable... I never said you were wrong, just that it was merely difficult to achieve. Which is why I suggested the OP would be better off making UAVs... If that was the soul purpose for your previous comments, I encourage you to back read. You'll find I never said it was impossible.
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Given the financial implications and the fact he is raising a child, I suggested that he would be better off investing in stuff for making UAVs. I was wrong in assuming he wanted to start a business, but my information was limited and thus I got the wrong end of the stick, as did others on the thread.
@EternalDarkness Yes, have back read though everything. And again, what I'm saying is it's expensive. I didn't by any means say it was impossible. As I previously said: "Of course you can put it on the back burner for something to do when you do have the money, but otherwise... UAVs are the way forward with this I think. It's cheap, you can get the child involved while more importantly providing for them and you can gain experience, for building a plane later on in life if the opportunity arises."
@EternalDarkness Sorry, I must have misunderstood the fact the OP was quitting because they don't have money for their creations. Implying they wanted to make them in real life and profit from them... It would seem a few others in the comments would agree too. However, even from a weekend standpoint, it can take a while to build an aircraft. One of our lecturers was building on in the hanger where I went to college. Small plane. Lots of rivets and specialist stuff. They didn't finish it in the time I was there, but I imagine it'll be finished by now, or at least close to being finished.
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Besides, my original point still stands. If you want to build a flying vehicle on the cheap, then a UAV is the way to go. Anyhow, if the OP was concerned about providing for their child to the point of quitting a game you play in your spare time, then why would they spend the money on expensive aircraft stuff and not on providing for the child. Okay, if your building it with the child, I guess it's good bonding time... but even then I think the OP might be a bit optimistic about their job prospects. As I said previously, I'm being realistic. Of course you can put it on the back burner for something to do when you do have the money, but otherwise... UAVs are the way forward with this I think. It's cheap, you can get the child involved while more importantly providing for them and you can gain experience, for building a plane later on in life if the opportunity arises.
@jw1523 That's one of the many benefits of flying this plane.
@jw1523 If you fly vertical, you can go past the clouds too, it's really that great! XD
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You think you guys could lay off each other? I'd rather not have to take further action, but if this rivalry continues, o will have to. @TheGamingChicken507 @Pokennugget107
@jw1523 I know, definitely the best plane in the world XD
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@jw1523 you should check out my ironically named world's best aircraft... It is by no means a death trap XD
@jw1523 it's really light though and takes off quicker than most of my small planes.
@jw1523 my biggest only just fits on the runway at Wright (I think that's the name of it) airport. It's on my to uploads list too, not sure when though.
@jw1523 Gary lives to fight another day XD
@jw1523 and it's not even my biggest! XD
@jw1523 NOOOOO!!!!!!! XD
@BlackEmperorDragon I imagine it does XD
@AviownCorp Like I say, for the application, delta wings might not be the best idea for a slow prop plane. If it was fast (and I'm talking near Mach 1) then it would be appropriate as delta wings (or swept wings in general) delay the onset of shock waves.
@CaesiciusPlanes Maybe... Just maybe XD
@CaesiciusPlanes Might be a tad on the overkill side XD
The number of hardpoints on this plane scares me XD
@SimpleTechAndResearch VS blocky original ES-1
@SimpleTechAndResearch I will at some point, it's just a matter of when.
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@Areonautics3 Awesome. Would be nice to see your take on it and contrast it with other peoples.
@SimpleTechAndResearch We need all the Es-1s we can get. I'm thinking about making an updated one too XD
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@Areonautics3 How's the progress coming along(assuming you're still working on it?)? Also, sorry I didn't reply, I was having a few issues back then.
@AviownCorp Delta wings are more for high speed aircraft and a generally not suitable for prop planes. For example, Concorde needed a high angle of attack when handing in order to maintain a steady decent rate because its wings weren't equipped to fly at low speeds efficiently.
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I would suggest a more traditional layout, but if you want to go adventurous, look at different wing types and decide what's best for your needs.... A canard layout might be good too.
@EnderWiggin No problem. Hopefully you won't encounter anymore problems... Hopefully XD
@AviownCorp Like I say, I know nothing about motorcycles... However, a quick google image search shows these. Again, you shouldn't be using gears on an engine unless you're just using it to step down power from an engine. To control speed, you must only use the throttle (assuming the prop is fixed). Gears add unneeded complexity, inefficiency and can lead to maintenance problems later on.
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@AviownCorp How would you go about covering the ribs in aluminium?And you can't add gears to increase power as such. If you use step down gears, you decrease the speed of the prop, but increase the torque. Similarly, step up gears decrease torque, but increase speed.
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If you want to go all electric, it MIGHT be worth waiting it out a little bit. Mainly because battery technology is advancing, and carbon nanotube batteries/supercapacitors are ever so slowly coming into existence. They offer a massive advantage over Lithium Ion batteries as they are should charge up in a few seconds (maybe minutes depending on capacity) as they should be capacitors and not traditional batteries, but they can store more electricity in a similar sized unit. I think it would be a lot lighter too. But, I'm not sure when that kind of tech is coming out. Perhaps it could be an upgrade plan for you.
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One thing to bare in mind is that batteries are quite heavy. I have a 22,400 mAh battery and it probably weighs about the same as half a brick and is about the size of half a brick. Scaled up (you'd need a lot of mAh to get a decent flight in) you're probably looking at something that's quite heavy. I could be wrong, my power bank could be heavy for other reasons, however, it might be worth bearing in mind. That said, a motor is lighter than an engine, so that might compensate.
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Also, back on the topic of electric motors and controlling speed; you could probably get away with something similar to a variable resistor to control the RPM of the motor, which you could then link directly to the throttle stick. Alternatively, you could use a variable frequency drive unit, which I think would be more efficient as it varies the frequency of the electricity instead of resisting it, but you'd have to use an AC motor instead of DC, which means you'll need an inverter to convert the DC power from the battery into AC. However, if you did go down the route of a DC motor (which you seem more set on doing) I'd recommend a brushless motor as they have less mechanical parts (aka no carbon brushes) and thus are more efficient and reliable, more specifically, if possible a shunt wound motor. I think they're a bit harder to start but they're more robust in terms of electric loads and tend not to stall when they run into problems with physical loads which are too high. If you're after AC you have a choice of Synchronous and Induction. I'm not that well versed in those kinds of motor, so I'll let you l
@EnderWiggin I wouldn't say it's a fact. We run through the reports on aircraft every day and weed out those that go against the rules. If a upload only has a couple of minor changes, then it gets removed. Sure, some slip through the filter and they always will, nothing is perfect, but we do our best to keep things in order.
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Publicly humiliating moderators through an opinion based forum post is not the way forward. It makes us a lot less inclined to deal with any problems or gripes that you have. Next time could you please tag a moderator on the aircraft that you think is violating the rules, that way we can look at and deal with the problem a lot quicker and efficiently as we don't need to deal with posts like this and/or ask for links to the offenders.
@EnderWiggin looked at the post... It was removed when I went on it... So I'm not entirely sure what there is to complain about.
@EnderWiggin hey, don't have a go at me. I'm enforcing rules. But I'll look into it.
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Could you provide links for the matter at handand and I will look into it?
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This is a great bit of fun. Love it!
@AviownCorp Regarding materials and joining, I think you would need to consult someone that knows a bit more on the topic than I do. Personally, nails are a temporary fixture and can be removed. I can't help but feel engine vibrations over a long period might loosen them. Screws might be a better bet, but again, they're temporary.
As for materials. Wooden wings might be too heavy... assuming the panels are wood too. I'd suggest either aluminium/wood for ribs/stringers and a canvas overlay to make up the actual aerofoil.
@AviownCorp Thought it would be a two seater. Also, where are you planning on storing the fuel?
@AviownCorp Also, I don't own a motorcycle, nor am I really too interested in the engineering behind them, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a more sophisticated version of an ordinary bike. Anyhow, props are generally driven by direct drive/fixed gears. If you're using a fixed prop, then you'd be controlling the speed of the aircraft by opening/closing the throttle. Depending on the engine's power, you might need some step down gears in order to make the prop more efficient (otherwise it breaks the sound barrier and all sorts of nasty stuff happens), however, if you use a low power engine, you could probably get away with direct drive... I think the latter would be more efficient overall as there's less mechanical parts and there's obviously the reduced chance of failure due to the lack of excess mechanical parts.
@AviownCorp I what way are you planning on building it?
@AviownCorp |will do.
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@EternalDarkness Now you're just plain harassing me. Again, at no point did I say it wasn't possible...
@AviownCorp The problem with older aircraft is that they tend to need a bit more skill to fly. The aircraft you named seems to have a large rudder, which generally means an unstable aircraft. At least that's what a guy who specialises in that kind of aircraft flight told me... Don't quote me on this, but I recall him saying you need a licence to fly aircraft like that... Might be wrong though, the presentation was over a year ago.
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Again, propulsion and wings wise, you would have to list the characteristics you want your plane to have. If you want it to be efficient at low altitude and low speed, then a prop driven biplane would be the way to go. If you want something a bit faster then a high or low wing monoplane would be better depending on what kind of stability you're after.
@Johndfg You literally just quoted everything I said on a comment. That doesn't help matters at all for anyone wanting to see exactly what it is I said wrong.
@Nickasaurus The link you sent was for an aircraft produced by a company... They already have the tools and people to make them. On top of that they can get discounts on the raw materials for buying in bulk. As someone who has studied management, I can confirm it is a lot more expensive to build something as a one off than something that's mass produced.
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Take a look at cars. Compare the cheapest to the most expensive brand. Sure, the brands will bump up prices, but the majority of the cost is because the item is specialised and a one off, thus new tools and materials need to be bought, which bumps up the price.
@Johndfg Please point out where I was trying to prove his point wrong. At no point did I say he was wrong.
@Nickasaurus It depends on how many people the aircraft would seat. Presumably if it's for transport and the fact the OP has a son, I would assume a two seater aircraft. The OP could probably buy a load of cheap parts too. But we are given little information to work with. Presumably, if it's a two seater aircraft then it is fixed wing, so solid materials will be needed for framework such as stringers, ribs, maybe some skin panels. Then you've got the fuel tanks on top of that, then there's the engine, cabling, flight instruments which can be upwards of £50+ per unit (and that's second hand for ones that probably don't work anymore), etc. Of course you then have to get a pilots licence, which even in america isn't by any means cheap and you'll probably need to rent storage, then there's the certification, maintenance, replacement parts, parachute. Then you have to pay the welders, riveters, perhaps those installing the flight instruments. I mean, at the end of the day, you're probably talking about ten grand just for the short term. So no... it won't be cheap. Also, some airfields will charge for landing on their land... even if it's just a field.
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With a UAV, it will be cheaper. I was part of a team project and we worked out that it cost about £350 (give or take) to make a UAV from scratch. Now, as I said before, if the OP knows he has the time, money and knowledge to carry it all out, then he can do it, as I've stated numerous times before, it's not impossible. Besides, I was merely suggesting... I feel like people are making mountains out of molehills here.
@Johndfg I appreciate you're discussing this in a biased manner in another chat and that your fully in support with @EternalDarkness as a result.
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But, I never set out to prove anyone wrong. His original point was that it was doable, and on a number of accounts I agreed with him. If you would care to read, you'll find that I was literally only saying that it would be difficult to do and that it it would be more financially worth while in investing in UAV parts... That was literally all I was saying...
@kukimuki1234 Zed is a gold user (previously platinum), so I'm afraid we can't feature it.
@kukimuki1234 We can't change them as such. Once they're on the featured list, they stay until another take its place, then it moves down the line, removing the 4th plane on the list. We could feature another plane today, but I personally haven't yet seen anything I would personally deem feature worthy.
@EternalDarkness And the large sum of money yes, it is doable... I never said you were wrong, just that it was merely difficult to achieve. Which is why I suggested the OP would be better off making UAVs... If that was the soul purpose for your previous comments, I encourage you to back read. You'll find I never said it was impossible.
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Given the financial implications and the fact he is raising a child, I suggested that he would be better off investing in stuff for making UAVs. I was wrong in assuming he wanted to start a business, but my information was limited and thus I got the wrong end of the stick, as did others on the thread.
@EternalDarkness Yes, have back read though everything. And again, what I'm saying is it's expensive. I didn't by any means say it was impossible. As I previously said: "Of course you can put it on the back burner for something to do when you do have the money, but otherwise... UAVs are the way forward with this I think. It's cheap, you can get the child involved while more importantly providing for them and you can gain experience, for building a plane later on in life if the opportunity arises."
@AviownCorp That largely depends on what you have in mind for the aircraft. Is it a high flyer? is it going to be fast, etc?
@EternalDarkness Sorry, I must have misunderstood the fact the OP was quitting because they don't have money for their creations. Implying they wanted to make them in real life and profit from them... It would seem a few others in the comments would agree too. However, even from a weekend standpoint, it can take a while to build an aircraft. One of our lecturers was building on in the hanger where I went to college. Small plane. Lots of rivets and specialist stuff. They didn't finish it in the time I was there, but I imagine it'll be finished by now, or at least close to being finished.
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Besides, my original point still stands. If you want to build a flying vehicle on the cheap, then a UAV is the way to go. Anyhow, if the OP was concerned about providing for their child to the point of quitting a game you play in your spare time, then why would they spend the money on expensive aircraft stuff and not on providing for the child. Okay, if your building it with the child, I guess it's good bonding time... but even then I think the OP might be a bit optimistic about their job prospects. As I said previously, I'm being realistic. Of course you can put it on the back burner for something to do when you do have the money, but otherwise... UAVs are the way forward with this I think. It's cheap, you can get the child involved while more importantly providing for them and you can gain experience, for building a plane later on in life if the opportunity arises.