@OrderlyHippo
Here is additional link to understand more about predestination and partial free will link 1 and link 2

@OrderlyHippo Allah has made us to have our own free will, yes Allah know everything and has planned everything to go as he wish, but for our own life it is up to us. It is stated in Q.S. Ar-Ra'd [13] 11 that said "Indeed, Allah would never change a people’s state (of favour) until they change their own state (of faith). And if it is Allah’s Will to torment a people, it can never be averted, nor can they find a protector other than Him." So good people chose to be good and bad people chose to be bad

@O5BIRD Do, "various things," include the final destination? If yes, everything "in the world at all times, good or bad, is entirely from the Divine will, irrevocably fixed and recorded from all eternity. The possession and the exercise of our own free will is, accordingly, futile and useless." Intention too, whether vengeance or love. (source)
If no, I don't think you're Muslim.

@OrderlyHippo I do believe that Allah has arranged various things on our lives. But i believe that being a good person or a bad person are pure our intention. You said you do not believe on predestinations, so i assume you're an atheist.

@OrderlyHippo Sure. While you on that why don't you see Q.S. Al-Baqarah [2] : 256 & 208.

@O5BIRD Yeah it was a weak example. I'll try to find a better one. Added a bit to my last comment btw

@OrderlyHippo you are right about one thing that is revenge is allowed in Islam it is clearly stated in QS an-Nahl [16] : 126 -128 which said "And if you punish [an enemy, O believers], punish with an equivalent of that with which you were harmed. But if you are patient - it is better for those who are patient."

But you said "vengeance is the religion of Allah" which this is false, i mean if you allowed someone to avenge someone's life that doesn't mean that your way of life are full of vengence. Saying vengence is the religion of Allah on my opinion is just too soon to decide that seems like Allah only teach about revenge and this is completely wrong from what actually happen.

@O5BIRD Vengeance from Qur'an: "As for the adulteress and the adulterer, flog each of them with a hundred stripes, and let not compassion with them keep you from [carrying out] this law of God, if you [truly] believe in God and the Last Day; and let a group of the believers witness their chastisement." source. If we administer vengeance our destiny is doomed, so God does. You believe in predestination I presume. I do not.

@O5BIRD What I mean and meant to say from the beginning is that, "vengence is the religion of Allah," is a repeated principle in the Hadith, the sayings of Muhammad. You are right and I admit, I did not understand the hadith story and got names mixed up. However, "blood revenge is allowed. In case of personal injury, the law of retaliation is approved" in Islam, according to this encyclopedia.

@OrderlyHippo not it is not. It is false information

@O5BIRD What I said is true. That is also why I said it

@OrderlyHippo yeah, but before that why did you spread misinformation. And also this post would not become a debate if you just stay quiet from the first time

At minimum this belongs on a forum post according to the rules. I could easily get into this like a never ending Twitter fight but that’s why I asked him to stick to planes
@O5BIRD @BaconAircraft @SheriffHackdogMCPE

@SheriffHackdogMCPE i understand and appreciate your intension. But it seems that this guy wanted to have the debate here. I also don't have twitter lol :|

@O5BIRD ok I understand, but I had to do it bcuz arguing about religion violates the websites rules. Do it somewhere else like twitter, ok?

@SheriffHackdogMCPE hey, i'm not mad, if you know it, it's Ramadan i'm not allowed to get mad. It is my duty as a Muslim to clear things out about Islam. He clearly misunderstood the teaching of Islam about revenge and i'm just explain things to him

@OrderlyHippo @O5BIRD ok can you both guys chill

@OrderlyHippo
Jubair bin Mut'im said to me, 'If you kill Hamza in revenge for my uncle, then you will be set free." That is from the source you gave. From your previous statement you said "killing is the religion of alah" but there is no such words in the link, second you first statement said that is Muhammad whom said "killing is the religion of alah" but from the source i state above it is clear that Jubair bin Mut'im are the one who said 'If you kill Hamza in revenge for my uncle, then you will be set free." Here is a liitle but important context about what happened. The guy who told us the story on the hadith are named Wahshy ibn Harb he is slave of his master who is named Jubair bin Mut`im. At the Battle of Uhud Jubayr bribed his slave Wahshy ibn Harb with manumission to kill Hamza ibn 'Abdul Muttalib because Hamza had killed Jubayr's uncle at Badr, here is a source to that, i mean it is clearly said on the hadith, but incase you missing the point. So it is not prophet Muhammad who said killing is the religion of alah, because revenge never been told is the way of Islam in any scriptures about Islam and because Jubair bin Mut'im said "if you kill Hamza in revenge for my uncle, then you will be set free" doesn't mean Islam teach revenge is a good thing which never been stated, he said that because he wanted to liberate Wahshy by doing him last favor and it is to kill Hamza his uncle murderer. Oh and i would like to see you prove that the Qur'an have told muslims that revenge is the way of Islam. You clearly misunderstood about the context or what is going on on the hadith. Islam never teach that revenge is the way of Islam

@SheriffHackdogMCPE @O5BIRD
Straight from the Hadith (or Muhammad):
"If you kill Hamza in revenge for my uncle, then you will be set free." (source) In partial and full context means vengence is the law of Alah. If u don’t submit mercy, vengence is justified. You'll find this in the Quaran too

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@OrderlyHippo this is false statement

thanks bro, happy ramadan to you too

Thank you bro Ramadan Mubarak to u and all <3