@TrojanAircraftSystems Ok, good. I'll retrofit the 'bomber challenge' cockpit to it, if I can remember how and see if it breaks anything on the aircraft. Seems like every time I change anything on it, something stops working. :p FYI Peacemaker Mkii. I'm going to tweak a few things on it first tho.
Question. Will you be fitting the weapons or do we have to fit the weapons?
Also, I have an aircraft that fits the bill and has been recently updated, can I enter that or would you prefer I make something from scratch? Are custom weapons allowed? My building skills are more than a little rusty, so it's taking longer than I expected.
It's been so long I forgot to add a proper description. D'oh!
So here it is.
Controls as per usual.
additional controls;
1 = Parachutes
2 = Start/Stop 'Ram Jet'
3 = Open air to air doors and active AA mode
4 = Open air to ground and active AG mode
5 = Airbrakes
6 = Retro Jets (added to make this beast stop)
Having not flown this for a very long time, I forgot how well it flies.
It will take off and fly on low power settings (20% thrust!!)
Things added: extra set of ailerons, reverse thrusters, fixed Ram Jet air intake, it should work all of the time now ( I hope )
There is a lot of XML stuff going on using Overload.
This has a little problem.
For some unknown reason, when you try to go up rapidly, the nose goes up a bit, stops for a fraction of a second, then goes up a bit, rinse and repeat for as long as you hold the up control.
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Everything else is fine, it rolls nicely, maybe a little too fast even and is steady as a rock in level flight with a little trim.
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Any ideas on what causes a plane to do that?
I like the way it looks, some thought has gone into that and it flies OK as well.
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Surprised by lack of landing gear, but it got off the runway without damage.
This an air launch only people! :P
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edit: NP, @Axartar.
Hmmmm..... interesting.
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Compared this to my version and found..... no changes that I could see.
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What to do, what to do.
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If anyone else can tell me just what has been changed on this to make it different, tag me.
The original ship is the Marauder , a web page with a nifty rotating image of the beasty can be found behind the link.
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The M Prototype only has a passing resemblance to that.
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There are many, many other ships displayed in the same fashion, so if you run out of ideas, try making one of these!
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Just kidding.
@SakuraSaku
@SodiumChloride
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Thanks.
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Been a little busy due to work (and TIRED, long days when you have to catch public transport due to parking issues).
Added to that, the idea factory in my head doesn't seem to be working properly at the moment and you can see why there haven't been many offerings from me recently.
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There is something I'm kinda sorta working on though, but it is taking it's time coming together, it isn't coming out of my head in one piece, but in dribs and drabs.
Personally, I think you would have to be just a little desperate to see anything but a female robot here.
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The only reason I'd see it as anything else is the comment in the info section.
But then I see things differently from a lot of people and that often gets me into all sorts of trouble.
@Mahesa25
Yeah, I work, I'm ancient. :P
I do this to relax and keep my mind working.
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You need to think to come up with stuff that people have not seen before, or very often anyway.
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Also, uploaded new version. I like it, the colour looks good on it.
@Mahesa25
No, the one I'm working on is still being worked on.
I might have it done tonight, but there is a chance I won't have it to the point where I'm happy with it before I need to sleep for work.
Not bad, I guess.
Most of the weapons would be usable, but I can see problems with the Cruise missiles, unless you are flying upside down when you launch them, or maybe flying downward slightly.
Otherwise, launching them could cause a mess. heh
'Why use air brakes instead of the conventional method?'
I hear people ask.
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For some reason, placing rudder surfaces on the upright (close to 90') surfaces makes the aircraft roll.
The bigger the rudder surface, the faster it rolls.
This is instead of it yawing properly.
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I did not want to add a rudder (more like two, for the symmetry) because it would have messed with the look, even more than the cockpit/engine pod area does.
@Simplemike
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Thanks!
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Some random info on the wings;
The curve on the end of the wings is made from *LOTS of wing sections, made as small as they will go, then XML edited to 25% of normal width.
Each one is angled in 4' steps.
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*Troll counting: 1, 2, 3, 4, Many, many 1, many 2, many 3, many 4, LOTS. /Discworld off lol
@BoganBoganThe Man
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Well, it is not going to happen.
For some reason my computer is going 'Thou Shall Not Pass!!!' as soon as start to add the wing sections.
Le-sigh. Can't win them all I guess.
I'll have to think up something else crazy to do.
@BoganBoganTheMan
Heh, check out my latest upload and you will have an idea.
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I'm basically going to strip the wings off and replace them with a swept wing.
The aircraft I uploaded flies remarkably well for what it is, but I think your aircraft will do some amazing things with a similar wing.
I'll take some time doing it though, I want them to look like they are supposed to be there instead of just something stuck on.
@BoganBoganTheMan
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I'm going to do something horrible to your Spitfire.
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I'll let you see it before I upload it to the public, if it works out.
With any sort of luck it should be quite interesting.
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By the way, I test all of my fighters vs this in dogfight mode, if they can beat it they move on to the jet fighters, but they have to win 2 out of 3 first. ;)
@0n33
I can't see why not, the rules state that the MAXIMUM number of engines is four, so technically it obeys that rule.
I can't see it lasting very long in a dogfight though.
*has a thought....
I have a rather good glider I can do that with. I think I'll put guns on it and see how it does against my entry, just for giggles.
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Edit: My entry is as done as it is going to be.
Be afraid, be very afraid. (guess which movie that very badly misquoted line is from and win a cookie!)
@EchoWhiskey11
A surprise is coming, Warrior may not be competing in the competition, the aircraft that was the inspiration for it may be.
Edit: I just realized that I need to check it over for any XML stuff I may have done to it that would make it illegal. *goes to check for lightened parts
EditToo! Question! Rule 6 states HP/Weight cannot exceed 1.
Further down, it states quote "Prop planes can have an HP/Weight Ratio not to exceed .5."
I'm a little confused here.
My current entry choices come in under HP/Weight of 1 and both are propeller driven. If they had to come in under 0.5, it would be disastrous as both would be so under powered that they would not be competitive at all if they could even get off the ground.
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So which is it, 1 or 0.5?
@CrazyCatZe
It should be allowed I think, it is technically a propeller engine, even though it is driven by a small jet engine.
I'm about to (I hope) submit an entry that uses them myself, if I have managed to download the appropriate part. :P
Edit: Well, I did something right, the auto credit is there ;)
I'm having an issue with your download for this competition.
I download it, the game starts up, but it just goes to the normal start up screen, play etc, it does not go into the editor like it does with other downloads.
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Am I doing it wrong or are other people having issues as well?
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Edit: meh. Will try again tomorrow.
I'd enter the Nobler, as it was designed just a few years after WW2 finished and it looks a lot like a WW2 aircraft, but I'm not sure it would do really well vs a proper WW2 aircraft.
Maybe I'll do a rebuild of it from scratch and enter a version of it just for giggles.
@TheOwlAce
Good question!
One I don't know the answer to, but I guess it could be called a monoplane, technically speaking, mind if you unfold the wings they would be pretty long and give the plane absurd gliding capabilities, not that it doesn't glide fairly well now.
I mentioned this reminded me of a Manta Ray, right?
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Guess what is coming next, Soon(tm) for a relative amount of Soon(tm).
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Need to clean it up and try to get the colors close to right.
The 'tail' was fun to sort out.
@CRJ900Pilot
Yep, exactly.
There may be some flex on the control surfaces, but because they are so small, it should be insignificant.
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When I first started out I was frustrated with not being able to build fast planes because the wings would rip of at speed.
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People who don't have access to XML editing will probably find this useful too, if they do not already know how to do it.
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Edit: I'm going to mess with engines and see how fast I can get it go before the control surfaces start flapping around.
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Edit 2: Best speed about 1000 mph.
Wing flex is noticible, but does not effect control of the aircraft.
@SimonGlaser
D'oh!
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My bad, turns out I have uploaded it, 4 months ago, under the name name 'WAC-31C'.
I'll dig that out and take it for a fly and see what can be done to make it better, I'm sure such an 'early' build from me has a few problems that need fixing.
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WAC is short for 'Wintermob Air co.' a made up aircraft company I sometimes use for planes I make that I reckon are good enough to add to the 'company hanger'. lol
I doubt people will steal it, but there is always a chance.
Most of the legit builders here would look at it and leave it alone.
@TrojanAircraftSystems Np and thanks. Thought I'd let everyone see what I made for the challenge.
My entry. Decided to not enter the Peacemaker Mkii.
Built a new one from scratch.
https://www.simpleplanes.com/a/S4ecGS/Bomber-Challenge-Mickks-Entry
@TrojanAircraftSystems Ok, good. I'll retrofit the 'bomber challenge' cockpit to it, if I can remember how and see if it breaks anything on the aircraft. Seems like every time I change anything on it, something stops working. :p FYI Peacemaker Mkii. I'm going to tweak a few things on it first tho.
Question. Will you be fitting the weapons or do we have to fit the weapons?
Also, I have an aircraft that fits the bill and has been recently updated, can I enter that or would you prefer I make something from scratch? Are custom weapons allowed? My building skills are more than a little rusty, so it's taking longer than I expected.
Edited. One question answered already D'oh!
It's been so long I forgot to add a proper description. D'oh!
So here it is.
Controls as per usual.
additional controls;
1 = Parachutes
2 = Start/Stop 'Ram Jet'
3 = Open air to air doors and active AA mode
4 = Open air to ground and active AG mode
5 = Airbrakes
6 = Retro Jets (added to make this beast stop)
Having not flown this for a very long time, I forgot how well it flies.
It will take off and fly on low power settings (20% thrust!!)
Things added: extra set of ailerons, reverse thrusters, fixed Ram Jet air intake, it should work all of the time now ( I hope )
There is a lot of XML stuff going on using Overload.
This has a little problem.
For some unknown reason, when you try to go up rapidly, the nose goes up a bit, stops for a fraction of a second, then goes up a bit, rinse and repeat for as long as you hold the up control.
.
Everything else is fine, it rolls nicely, maybe a little too fast even and is steady as a rock in level flight with a little trim.
.
Any ideas on what causes a plane to do that?
I like the way it looks, some thought has gone into that and it flies OK as well.
.
Surprised by lack of landing gear, but it got off the runway without damage.
This an air launch only people! :P
.
edit: NP, @Axartar.
Hmmmm..... interesting.
.
Compared this to my version and found..... no changes that I could see.
.
What to do, what to do.
.
If anyone else can tell me just what has been changed on this to make it different, tag me.
@belugasub
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My entry.
The original ship is the Marauder , a web page with a nifty rotating image of the beasty can be found behind the link.
.
The M Prototype only has a passing resemblance to that.
.
There are many, many other ships displayed in the same fashion, so if you run out of ideas, try making one of these!
.
Just kidding.
@SakuraSaku
@SodiumChloride
.
Thanks.
.
Been a little busy due to work (and TIRED, long days when you have to catch public transport due to parking issues).
Added to that, the idea factory in my head doesn't seem to be working properly at the moment and you can see why there haven't been many offerings from me recently.
.
There is something I'm kinda sorta working on though, but it is taking it's time coming together, it isn't coming out of my head in one piece, but in dribs and drabs.
Personally, I think you would have to be just a little desperate to see anything but a female robot here.
.
The only reason I'd see it as anything else is the comment in the info section.
But then I see things differently from a lot of people and that often gets me into all sorts of trouble.
@Mahesa25
Yeah, I work, I'm ancient. :P
I do this to relax and keep my mind working.
.
You need to think to come up with stuff that people have not seen before, or very often anyway.
.
Also, uploaded new version. I like it, the colour looks good on it.
@Mahesa25
Funny that, a total coincidence. I did not realise that it worked out that way. heh
@Mahesa25
There are EIGHT actual turbo prop motors there, just the drive areas overlap so they don't explode all over the place.
@Mahesa25
No, the one I'm working on is still being worked on.
I might have it done tonight, but there is a chance I won't have it to the point where I'm happy with it before I need to sleep for work.
Hmmm, a HP/WR of 0.04?
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Interesting.
Love the way this looks.
@Alienbeef0421
/yoda on
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Read the rules you have?
Guns only you must use, yes.
/yoda off
@belugasub
It flies too, at least as well as the Ducc.
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To make it an attack bird, put weapons on it. lol
@belugasub
Have a random bird.
Not bad, I guess.
Most of the weapons would be usable, but I can see problems with the Cruise missiles, unless you are flying upside down when you launch them, or maybe flying downward slightly.
Otherwise, launching them could cause a mess. heh
@belugasub
Woo! Made it thru to round Two!
Looks like I took some damage though.
@JamesBoA
I know.
It is about as fast as a Spitfire at the same height, maybe a little faster.
@JamesBoA
About 270 mph at 10,000 feet.
*takes the slow plane to work
'Why use air brakes instead of the conventional method?'
I hear people ask.
.
For some reason, placing rudder surfaces on the upright (close to 90') surfaces makes the aircraft roll.
The bigger the rudder surface, the faster it rolls.
This is instead of it yawing properly.
.
I did not want to add a rudder (more like two, for the symmetry) because it would have messed with the look, even more than the cockpit/engine pod area does.
@Simplemike
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Thanks!
.
Some random info on the wings;
The curve on the end of the wings is made from *LOTS of wing sections, made as small as they will go, then XML edited to 25% of normal width.
Each one is angled in 4' steps.
.
*Troll counting: 1, 2, 3, 4, Many, many 1, many 2, many 3, many 4, LOTS. /Discworld off lol
@BoganBoganThe Man
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Well, it is not going to happen.
For some reason my computer is going 'Thou Shall Not Pass!!!' as soon as start to add the wing sections.
Le-sigh. Can't win them all I guess.
I'll have to think up something else crazy to do.
@BoganBoganTheMan
Heh, check out my latest upload and you will have an idea.
.
I'm basically going to strip the wings off and replace them with a swept wing.
The aircraft I uploaded flies remarkably well for what it is, but I think your aircraft will do some amazing things with a similar wing.
I'll take some time doing it though, I want them to look like they are supposed to be there instead of just something stuck on.
@BoganBoganTheMan
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I'm going to do something horrible to your Spitfire.
.
I'll let you see it before I upload it to the public, if it works out.
With any sort of luck it should be quite interesting.
.
By the way, I test all of my fighters vs this in dogfight mode, if they can beat it they move on to the jet fighters, but they have to win 2 out of 3 first. ;)
@Soviet
Not bad.
Is it your first forward swept wing plane?
I have a little experience with them.
@Soviet
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Downloading because it has forward swept wings.
@ACEPILOT109
I know right?
The way the motors just sort of hang there is cool.
@0n33
I can't see why not, the rules state that the MAXIMUM number of engines is four, so technically it obeys that rule.
I can't see it lasting very long in a dogfight though.
*has a thought....
I have a rather good glider I can do that with. I think I'll put guns on it and see how it does against my entry, just for giggles.
.
.
Edit: My entry is as done as it is going to be.
Be afraid, be very afraid. (guess which movie that very badly misquoted line is from and win a cookie!)
@EchoWhiskey11 Thanks for the info :)
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Are lightened parts allowed?
*thinks 'probably not'.
*goes back to checking his aircraft
@EchoWhiskey11
A surprise is coming, Warrior may not be competing in the competition, the aircraft that was the inspiration for it may be.
Edit: I just realized that I need to check it over for any XML stuff I may have done to it that would make it illegal. *goes to check for lightened parts
EditToo! Question! Rule 6 states HP/Weight cannot exceed 1.
Further down, it states quote "Prop planes can have an HP/Weight Ratio not to exceed .5."
I'm a little confused here.
My current entry choices come in under HP/Weight of 1 and both are propeller driven. If they had to come in under 0.5, it would be disastrous as both would be so under powered that they would not be competitive at all if they could even get off the ground.
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So which is it, 1 or 0.5?
@EchoWhiskey11
The extra power is going to be a bonus for sure, but being able to use XML in the build itself will be a bigger one. ;)
@DerekAdair Yes it worked.
@CrazyCatZe
It should be allowed I think, it is technically a propeller engine, even though it is driven by a small jet engine.
I'm about to (I hope) submit an entry that uses them myself, if I have managed to download the appropriate part. :P
Edit: Well, I did something right, the auto credit is there ;)
@DerekAdair
Thanks DerekAdair, I'll try that when I get home from work.
I'm having an issue with your download for this competition.
I download it, the game starts up, but it just goes to the normal start up screen, play etc, it does not go into the editor like it does with other downloads.
.
Am I doing it wrong or are other people having issues as well?
.
Edit: meh. Will try again tomorrow.
I'd enter the Nobler, as it was designed just a few years after WW2 finished and it looks a lot like a WW2 aircraft, but I'm not sure it would do really well vs a proper WW2 aircraft.
Maybe I'll do a rebuild of it from scratch and enter a version of it just for giggles.
@TheOwlAce
Good question!
One I don't know the answer to, but I guess it could be called a monoplane, technically speaking, mind if you unfold the wings they would be pretty long and give the plane absurd gliding capabilities, not that it doesn't glide fairly well now.
I mentioned this reminded me of a Manta Ray, right?
.
Guess what is coming next, Soon(tm) for a relative amount of Soon(tm).
.
Need to clean it up and try to get the colors close to right.
The 'tail' was fun to sort out.
@CRJ900Pilot
Yep, exactly.
There may be some flex on the control surfaces, but because they are so small, it should be insignificant.
.
When I first started out I was frustrated with not being able to build fast planes because the wings would rip of at speed.
.
People who don't have access to XML editing will probably find this useful too, if they do not already know how to do it.
.
Edit: I'm going to mess with engines and see how fast I can get it go before the control surfaces start flapping around.
.
Edit 2: Best speed about 1000 mph.
Wing flex is noticible, but does not effect control of the aircraft.
@X4JB
I didn't think of that.
My PC runs GW2 very happily, even with all the bells and whistles running.
@plane918273645
Done.
https://youtu.be/OF2Zca0Fllw
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I know how to do links properly, but brain is fried right now. lol
EDIT: added a bit of bracing to kill the major wobble it had.
This is now possibly the fastest 'air breathing' plane in my inventory.
It is truly fast at around 80,000 feet, over 3000 mph.
I think it might be able to outrun an unmodified Interceptor, but I can't say for sure.
@SimonGlaser
D'oh!
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My bad, turns out I have uploaded it, 4 months ago, under the name name 'WAC-31C'.
I'll dig that out and take it for a fly and see what can be done to make it better, I'm sure such an 'early' build from me has a few problems that need fixing.
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WAC is short for 'Wintermob Air co.' a made up aircraft company I sometimes use for planes I make that I reckon are good enough to add to the 'company hanger'. lol