You’re once again complaining. ”The fact is, nobody can feasibly use this on an actual plane because of its part count, so it’s not practical. Instead, it’s more like a beautiful and intricately detailed statue which, as nice-looking as it may be, cannot be practically used.”
Do you even look at your own comments? Do you not realize that you’re literally complaining about partcount and it’s feasibility? You notice the whole point of this build is a accurate statue/demo due to its high partcount and cutaway display style, right? Nobody said anything about you having to use this. Instead of complaining about the part count and weather it being feasible or not; go build one yourself. @Rodrigo110
I think both are on par with each other. In my opinion, replicas should thrive for accuracy while fictional builds should go for realism or advanced ideas. E.g. a fictional build that looks incredibly real is a job well done.
@LEweirdplanes I lived in China for about 9 years. To my knowledge they're different to a certain extent. Both are under AVIC however 洪都航空工业集团 is located in 江西 while 成都飞机工业集团 is in 四川. Correct me if I'm wrong.
In Ontario, Canada we have something similar in grade 10 called the OSSLT. This literacy test is often regarded as the single most important - but yet useless mandatory test, as one must pass in order to receive a highschool diploma. Fortunately, the marks don't matter as long as one passes the test here.
Haven’t got the chance to work on it since finishing the wing. Schoolwork and fortnite with the bois have my schedule filled to the brim. @F104Deathtrap
@MrSilverWolf @JangoTheMango @Strikefighter04
Update. It has reached 1520 parts as of 2 minutes ago. I’m going to actually stop soon tho. Despite having a very powerful pc, I can see it starting to lag within the next 300 parts. I’m estimating 2000 parts upon completion.
With an engine placement like that, I think it would be wise to move the wings further back. The mass from the engine would make this aircraft inherently unstable; words you don't want to be describing a airliner with.
For example: notice how despite having 1/3 engines tain-mounted, the Lockheed L-1011 much farther back then the Boeing B767-200? ...and its offset from 1 of 3 engines. being tail-mounted. Now take a look at the CRJ-900 with both of it's engines tail-mounted; notice how the wing is further back?
I hope this information can help you improve your single engine designs in the future! :D
Hi, I'd just like to point out that the conspiracy theory regarding the Tu-144 is infact not a conspiracy at all, thanks to declassified documents.
PBS made a documentary on this, I think its worthwhile to take a look: here
I have myself done a paper on this for my world history final last year and I found the transcript above very helpful.
Here's a short section:
NARRATOR: The TU-144 was scheduled to fly directly after Concorde. As it taxied for takeoff, the Russian pilot, Koslov, was told by the French air traffic controllers that his display time had been cut in half.
HOWARD MOON: The French, in my opinion, intervened into a scientific, technical spectacle for political reasons. This was a major piece of French prestige and honor. I think they simply wanted to showcase their bird. They wanted to show it off to the world and to push the Russians in the background.
NARRATOR: French test pilot, André Turcat, was watching the TU-144's display.
ANDRÉ TURCAT: We saw the whole movement, the whole presentation of the airplane from very close up. I must say, it was very well done. A 360-degree turn above the runway with good inclination. After this last pass, the plane climbed quite steeply.
NARRATOR: British pilot, John Farley, and his co-pilot, Andy Jones, were also watching.
JOHN FARLEY: Because there was no cloud, he could go up and up and up, and, I don't know, three and a half, four thousand feet. This thing was just going up, looking at it as we were, you know, going away from us like this. And then suddenly, it just very abruptly leveled off. I mean, really violently. And it did something that you never see big airplanes do, really violently change their pitch attitude. And both Andy and I went, "Ooooh!" You got this vision of this aircraft coming down. And it has to do with the angle, the speed, and the distance remaining when you think, 'That's not right.' And I said to Andy, "He's lost it." And at that point, with the aircraft still fairly well up, probably -- I don't know -- 1,500 feet or a bit less, it started to break up and had clearly been overstressed.
NARRATOR: Six Soviet crew members and eight French citizens died. One little boy playing in front of his home was decapitated by a piece of flying debris. Two other children were also killed. Sixty people were seriously injured and fifteen houses totally destroyed.
...
Nearly 25 years after the event, what caused the TU-144 to crash is only now being revealed. Minutes before Concorde and the TU-144 were scheduled to fly, a French Army Mirage jet took off. A surprising departure, since at international airshows, competing pilots expect to have the skies to themselves. Regulations state that a five-mile column of airspace must be kept free for their display. Concorde's crew was warned that the Mirage would be flying. Jean Forestier, French accident investigator, was asked if the same courtesy had been extended to the Russian crew.
JEAN FORESTIER: No.
NARRATOR: Why not?
JEAN FORESTIER: Right. Listen. We're moving away from the subject. If this is the case, we will go round and round impossible issues. As far as I'm concerned, it's very clear. The conversation is going in such a way. It's quite clear. Right. It's over.
NARRATOR: Jean Forestier's revelation that the Soviet crew was not warned of the Mirage was excluded from the government statement. There is speculation that the French neglected to admit this breach of regulations because the Mirage was on a clandestine mission to photograph the TU-144 in flight. In particular, the French wanted detailed film of the canards, the insect wings behind the cockpit. Flying at a height of approximately 4,000 feet in and out of the clouds, the Mirage tracked the TU-144 through its routine. As the Soviet plane climbed on a trajectory which would cross the Mirage's flight path, the pilot, Koslov, was not aware that the French jet was flying directly above him.
YURII KASHTANOV: At the moment when the pilots saw the Mirage which was flying at roughly the same height as the TU-144, they couldn't tell whether it was coming towards them or moving away.
NARRATOR: To avoid colliding with the Mirage, Koslov was forced to pitch the plane violently downwards, causing gravitational forces of minus 1G, known in pilot's jargon as a bunt.
JOHN FARLEY: We talked to the Russian ground crew immediately after the accident, and they all said, as did a Rolls-Royce chap who was familiar with their engine, they all said, "Well, the engines would have not have taken that bunt." Now, what they meant by that was the compressors would probably have surged. This means that you lose thrust. The rotating machinery at the front of the engine, which is generating the pressure before it gets to the combustion chamber where you burn the fuel, that will have stalled. It's purely aerodynamic, and it would have stalled. So, he had one, two, maybe even all three or four of his engines misbehaving now. So, he's level. And you can almost see the question mark over the top of the airplane, you know, as it's going along level.
NARRATOR: At a height of 4,000 feet, Koslov had just one option—to put the plane into a steep dive in an attempt to windmill-start his engines.
JOHN FARLEY: So, he's got to lower the nose, quickly get some speed up, get these engines blowing around, and then go through a few check lists, turn on the fuel, turn on the ignition, and so on. And I suspect that he did this and was completely preoccupied with it. Probably got one, two, maybe even all of them going in the end, and suddenly thought, "Oh! Look at the height!"
NARRATOR: In his effort to pull the jet out of its steep dive, Koslov over-stressed the plane, causing a structural failure. It is widely believed that the French and Soviet governments colluded to cover up the cause of the crash. With eight French citizens killed on the ground, the French government did not want the world to know that the Mirage jet was the precipitating cause of the accident. The official statement implied human error on the part of the Soviet pilot. Jean Forestier returned to defend the statement.
JEAN FORESTIER: The official press release—And I quote from the official press release, because I have no desire to mislead you: "Even though the inquiry established that there was no real risk of collision between the two aircrafts, the Soviet pilot was likely to have been surprised."
NARRATOR: But the official statement concealed crucial evidence which proved that, far from overreacting, the Soviet pilot was forced to take evasive action. Krupianskii, a member of the Russian investigation team, has agreed to break ranks.
EDGAR KRUPIANSKII: In the investigation, we gathered up all the pieces of wreckage, laid it out and tried to work out how the accident happened. While we were working on this, there was another investigation being carried out parallel to ours by the flying commission. There, they were presented with photographs taken by the Mirage. Then, the radar scan readouts were presented, which also showed how close they'd been.
NARRATOR: In Moscow, the authorities also had incentive to collaborate in a cover-up. Regardless of the cause, the TU-144 fell out of the sky for all the world to see. This public relations nightmare would prove fatal if any suggestion was made of mechanical failure in the crash report. Behind the scenes, the Russians agreed to spare the French by not blowing the whistle on the Mirage, providing the French agreed not to suggest there was anything technically wrong with the airplane or its design. Alexei Tupolev was the Soviet accident investigator. He was asked to comment on whether the French and Russians had concealed the true cause of the crash.
@Strikefighter04 k go ahead. I don't see what's wrong with "Whoever declares war on simplecraplandia, i full support them. :D" on someone else's forum post about a roleplay.
@Strikefighter04 @communisticbanana
Too bad.
I support whoever declares war on simpleannoyingforumspamlandia. Its called moral support, who cares if im not involved.
Skidaddle skiddodle this forum post is off topic. Plz idgaf if the above didn’t rhyme. Jus stop flooding the announcement forums with role plays. You got 2 tags. Use them.
Don't worry there's 4 versions that I'll link
Deep fried PC: 1400 parts - EVERYTHING
Microwaved PC: 1000 parts - one of two cockpit, no decals
Toasted PC: 850-900 parts - decals no cockpit
Potato: 800 parts - literally nothing but a plane.
@EternalDarkness
Somebody scale it up into a map add on plz thx.
+1Thanks, but I won’t be using it. I always like to make and try new things myself before requesting assistance. @xXN1NJAXx
+1Make sure you’re on high physics! That makes or breaks the design. @Tencents49
+1spicy
+1I have been a traitor all along lel urmomgayxd
+1O. That pic u posted a million times on discord. @Dllama4
+1Can someone describe to me the contents? My internet is too shit to load the image.
+1S t o p w h i n i n g @Rodrigo110
+1You’re once again complaining. ”The fact is, nobody can feasibly use this on an actual plane because of its part count, so it’s not practical. Instead, it’s more like a beautiful and intricately detailed statue which, as nice-looking as it may be, cannot be practically used.”
+1Do you even look at your own comments? Do you not realize that you’re literally complaining about partcount and it’s feasibility? You notice the whole point of this build is a accurate statue/demo due to its high partcount and cutaway display style, right? Nobody said anything about you having to use this. Instead of complaining about the part count and weather it being feasible or not; go build one yourself. @Rodrigo110
You can also learn to be less annoying by turning off all caps thx.
+1Understandable have a nice day.
+1Wait?
+1ForeverPie why u turn into TemporaryPie?
I think both are on par with each other. In my opinion, replicas should thrive for accuracy while fictional builds should go for realism or advanced ideas. E.g. a fictional build that looks incredibly real is a job well done.
+1Is urmongay omegalols
+1Np dude. @Mostly
+1Congratulations, fast boi
+1He’s asking for multiple inputs. @Kerbango
+1I’m pretty sure it’s not possible.
Even if it is, he wouldnt be able to do it anyways since he’s on iOS.
@ChiChiWerx I don't remember. Sorry.
+1beep beep kthxbye beep
+1@TheCreatorandDestroyer99 Vodka infused Stalinium.
+1@LEweirdplanes I lived in China for about 9 years. To my knowledge they're different to a certain extent. Both are under AVIC however 洪都航空工业集团 is located in 江西 while 成都飞机工业集团 is in 四川. Correct me if I'm wrong.
+1@MrSilverWolf beep beep images
+1@Minecraftpoweer (loln't)⁻¹
+1ƒ(dumb)⁻¹
+1They really badly spammed our forums aswell. @Caveman999
+1Since when can this power a 737-400 sized airliner?
+1@QingyuZhou B-52 be like: get on my level.
+1On a serious note, what happened to the F-15K is indeed unfortunate and very unlucky.
In Ontario, Canada we have something similar in grade 10 called the OSSLT. This literacy test is often regarded as the single most important - but yet useless mandatory test, as one must pass in order to receive a highschool diploma. Fortunately, the marks don't matter as long as one passes the test here.
+1@Chancey21 I'd rather start fresh tbh
+1ye y s os is com ing baq
+1Haven’t got the chance to work on it since finishing the wing. Schoolwork and fortnite with the bois have my schedule filled to the brim. @F104Deathtrap
+1YES IT IS AND NOW STOP PUTTING EVERY FORUM POST IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE IT DOESNT GRAB ANY MORE ATTENTION NOR MAKES IT SPECIAL.
+1@MrSilverWolf @JangoTheMango @Strikefighter04
+1Update. It has reached 1520 parts as of 2 minutes ago. I’m going to actually stop soon tho. Despite having a very powerful pc, I can see it starting to lag within the next 300 parts. I’m estimating 2000 parts upon completion.
@Supercraft888 Np.
+1With an engine placement like that, I think it would be wise to move the wings further back. The mass from the engine would make this aircraft inherently unstable; words you don't want to be describing a airliner with.
For example: notice how despite having 1/3 engines tain-mounted, the Lockheed L-1011 much farther back then the Boeing B767-200? ...and its offset from 1 of 3 engines. being tail-mounted. Now take a look at the CRJ-900 with both of it's engines tail-mounted; notice how the wing is further back?
I hope this information can help you improve your single engine designs in the future! :D
+1Hi, I'd just like to point out that the conspiracy theory regarding the Tu-144 is infact not a conspiracy at all, thanks to declassified documents.
PBS made a documentary on this, I think its worthwhile to take a look: here
I have myself done a paper on this for my world history final last year and I found the transcript above very helpful.
Here's a short section:
NARRATOR: The TU-144 was scheduled to fly directly after Concorde. As it taxied for takeoff, the Russian pilot, Koslov, was told by the French air traffic controllers that his display time had been cut in half.
HOWARD MOON: The French, in my opinion, intervened into a scientific, technical spectacle for political reasons. This was a major piece of French prestige and honor. I think they simply wanted to showcase their bird. They wanted to show it off to the world and to push the Russians in the background.
NARRATOR: French test pilot, André Turcat, was watching the TU-144's display.
ANDRÉ TURCAT: We saw the whole movement, the whole presentation of the airplane from very close up. I must say, it was very well done. A 360-degree turn above the runway with good inclination. After this last pass, the plane climbed quite steeply.
NARRATOR: British pilot, John Farley, and his co-pilot, Andy Jones, were also watching.
JOHN FARLEY: Because there was no cloud, he could go up and up and up, and, I don't know, three and a half, four thousand feet. This thing was just going up, looking at it as we were, you know, going away from us like this. And then suddenly, it just very abruptly leveled off. I mean, really violently. And it did something that you never see big airplanes do, really violently change their pitch attitude. And both Andy and I went, "Ooooh!" You got this vision of this aircraft coming down. And it has to do with the angle, the speed, and the distance remaining when you think, 'That's not right.' And I said to Andy, "He's lost it." And at that point, with the aircraft still fairly well up, probably -- I don't know -- 1,500 feet or a bit less, it started to break up and had clearly been overstressed.
NARRATOR: Six Soviet crew members and eight French citizens died. One little boy playing in front of his home was decapitated by a piece of flying debris. Two other children were also killed. Sixty people were seriously injured and fifteen houses totally destroyed.
...
Nearly 25 years after the event, what caused the TU-144 to crash is only now being revealed. Minutes before Concorde and the TU-144 were scheduled to fly, a French Army Mirage jet took off. A surprising departure, since at international airshows, competing pilots expect to have the skies to themselves. Regulations state that a five-mile column of airspace must be kept free for their display. Concorde's crew was warned that the Mirage would be flying. Jean Forestier, French accident investigator, was asked if the same courtesy had been extended to the Russian crew.
JEAN FORESTIER: No.
NARRATOR: Why not?
JEAN FORESTIER: Right. Listen. We're moving away from the subject. If this is the case, we will go round and round impossible issues. As far as I'm concerned, it's very clear. The conversation is going in such a way. It's quite clear. Right. It's over.
NARRATOR: Jean Forestier's revelation that the Soviet crew was not warned of the Mirage was excluded from the government statement. There is speculation that the French neglected to admit this breach of regulations because the Mirage was on a clandestine mission to photograph the TU-144 in flight. In particular, the French wanted detailed film of the canards, the insect wings behind the cockpit. Flying at a height of approximately 4,000 feet in and out of the clouds, the Mirage tracked the TU-144 through its routine. As the Soviet plane climbed on a trajectory which would cross the Mirage's flight path, the pilot, Koslov, was not aware that the French jet was flying directly above him.
YURII KASHTANOV: At the moment when the pilots saw the Mirage which was flying at roughly the same height as the TU-144, they couldn't tell whether it was coming towards them or moving away.
NARRATOR: To avoid colliding with the Mirage, Koslov was forced to pitch the plane violently downwards, causing gravitational forces of minus 1G, known in pilot's jargon as a bunt.
JOHN FARLEY: We talked to the Russian ground crew immediately after the accident, and they all said, as did a Rolls-Royce chap who was familiar with their engine, they all said, "Well, the engines would have not have taken that bunt." Now, what they meant by that was the compressors would probably have surged. This means that you lose thrust. The rotating machinery at the front of the engine, which is generating the pressure before it gets to the combustion chamber where you burn the fuel, that will have stalled. It's purely aerodynamic, and it would have stalled. So, he had one, two, maybe even all three or four of his engines misbehaving now. So, he's level. And you can almost see the question mark over the top of the airplane, you know, as it's going along level.
NARRATOR: At a height of 4,000 feet, Koslov had just one option—to put the plane into a steep dive in an attempt to windmill-start his engines.
JOHN FARLEY: So, he's got to lower the nose, quickly get some speed up, get these engines blowing around, and then go through a few check lists, turn on the fuel, turn on the ignition, and so on. And I suspect that he did this and was completely preoccupied with it. Probably got one, two, maybe even all of them going in the end, and suddenly thought, "Oh! Look at the height!"
NARRATOR: In his effort to pull the jet out of its steep dive, Koslov over-stressed the plane, causing a structural failure. It is widely believed that the French and Soviet governments colluded to cover up the cause of the crash. With eight French citizens killed on the ground, the French government did not want the world to know that the Mirage jet was the precipitating cause of the accident. The official statement implied human error on the part of the Soviet pilot. Jean Forestier returned to defend the statement.
JEAN FORESTIER: The official press release—And I quote from the official press release, because I have no desire to mislead you: "Even though the inquiry established that there was no real risk of collision between the two aircrafts, the Soviet pilot was likely to have been surprised."
NARRATOR: But the official statement concealed crucial evidence which proved that, far from overreacting, the Soviet pilot was forced to take evasive action. Krupianskii, a member of the Russian investigation team, has agreed to break ranks.
EDGAR KRUPIANSKII: In the investigation, we gathered up all the pieces of wreckage, laid it out and tried to work out how the accident happened. While we were working on this, there was another investigation being carried out parallel to ours by the flying commission. There, they were presented with photographs taken by the Mirage. Then, the radar scan readouts were presented, which also showed how close they'd been.
NARRATOR: In Moscow, the authorities also had incentive to collaborate in a cover-up. Regardless of the cause, the TU-144 fell out of the sky for all the world to see. This public relations nightmare would prove fatal if any suggestion was made of mechanical failure in the crash report. Behind the scenes, the Russians agreed to spare the French by not blowing the whistle on the Mirage, providing the French agreed not to suggest there was anything technically wrong with the airplane or its design. Alexei Tupolev was the Soviet accident investigator. He was asked to comment on whether the French and Russians had concealed the true cause of the crash.
+1O v r r a t e d
+1@Strikefighter04 k go ahead. I don't see what's wrong with "Whoever declares war on simplecraplandia, i full support them. :D" on someone else's forum post about a roleplay.
+1@Strikefighter04 @communisticbanana
+1Too bad.
I support whoever declares war on simpleannoyingforumspamlandia. Its called moral support, who cares if im not involved.
Whoever declares war on simplecraplandia, i full support them. :D
+1Yeah. Remember that constellation? I’m planning on finishing my private jet and we’ll start on it once wolfs ready. @jamesPLANESii
+1@iLikeipads more like falcon 4
+1I always find the battle bus in the loading screen having screwdrivers as wheels.
+1@Tully2001 No we.
+1soviet national anthem begins to play in background
Skidaddle skiddodle this forum post is off topic. Plz idgaf if the above didn’t rhyme. Jus stop flooding the announcement forums with role plays. You got 2 tags. Use them.
+1@jamesPLANESii wen ghost iz ded, itz reallie ded
+1On a serious note, that is really unfortunate. Hopefully he'll make a return.
I always thought it was thyre so ugly the ground repels them @Freerider2142
+1@F104Deathtrap Math ERROR.
+1Don't worry there's 4 versions that I'll link
+1Deep fried PC: 1400 parts - EVERYTHING
Microwaved PC: 1000 parts - one of two cockpit, no decals
Toasted PC: 850-900 parts - decals no cockpit
Potato: 800 parts - literally nothing but a plane.
@EternalDarkness
O F F T O P I C P L E A S E
+1This is SimplePlanes, not SimpleLegolandComplaints.