@TheOwlAce I'm going to be testing rescaled T1000s, for larger scale, to see what the effect is. I suspect they will be better but I can't be certain. I did discover that rescaled prop engines, that are smaller, are inferior to normal scale. However jet engines do not show that drop in performance, strangely enough! I used the in-game P-51, saved as "A Test" to see how a tiny one of the newest engines would effect performance if mounted on the belly. Nothin' like a hybrid prop-jet screaming around the skies at supersonic speeds. I took off the prop then and nudged that engine into its place, adjusted weights accordingly and found out that the propeller was slowing it down! lol Anyway so by proxy, if smaller prop engines are inferior it stands to reason that larger would be superior while retaining the T1000s fuel efficiency at that! Then I don't need to worry about T2000s or T3000s to provide power I'll just use my usual "power egg" twin contra-rotating T1000s on a larger scale to propel my future airship. lol
I can see why you're proud of this one, it's a huge improvement over the elder design! At 130+ DLs already, you're doing well!
I do have one question though, with the reduced weight of the new rotators, why haven't you opted to convert over to them when weight is a luxury you cannot squander in an airship?
@Shmexysmpilot I admit that when I first saw his airship designs I just kinda smirked as it reminded me of ... well ... most final fantasy games in a sense. I never tried to fly one until Owly here insisted I try one. I was equally impressed. I was all like; "How the {Explative Deleted} does this fly?!" I did the same as you did recently and was thoroughly amazed! He's only gotten better at making them too! Then he tells me he wants me to build airships for the RP we have coming up and I keep thinking to myself, "How can I compare to his skill with these?!" It's a pretty tall order... ;-)
@MrVaultech Finnish Nazi sympathizers discovered that Finland was engaging in high level secret discussions with the Allies to turn on Nazi Germany, attacking their lines from the rear to cause a collapse of supplies and create a killing box, on the condition that the Soviet Union NEVER be permitted to exist in a post-war state. Upon learning of this, they overthrew the government in a night of terror and gunfire. Nazi officials were caught unprepared but were forced to restore order in Finland to keep the Finnish Army and Air Force from disintegrating. (i.e. I'm out)
Great googlie-mooglie she's bootifuhl~ Okay, as beautiful as the Peacemaker can be anyway! lol GREAT build as always, I am tremendously impressed with this. Though you had trouble finishing her out you did a dang good job!
@Shmexysmpilot I know what you're saying, these things look like should plow into water when they're done terrorizing the pygmies below, I was shocked too when I tried to land one on the water and slowly watched its mast disappear beneath the sea. D-: Owly's been trying to get me to build an airship for months, I'm going to TRY to get mine to be sea based but we'll see how she turns out first. He has an uncanny knack for these impressive flying battleships and I just have no idea if I can approach his skill level at balancing them.
@TheOwlAce See you have your' own following with your' giant flying ships! ;-) Speaking of lighter than air gas, my friend, that reminds me ... there's an XML code for lightening parts or making them have no weight at all. I used it on the flying boat I mentioned earlier, on her wing and tail markings. (No reason performance should suffer from a layer of, admittedly, thick paint that much!) lol Strangely I feel like Neo telling Morpheus, "I know Kung Fu," in the Matrix. XD
@TheOwlAce Smart arse trolls, eh? Your' airships are looking better and better! I hope my first can begin to compare in any way/shape/form. I've not started on it, sadly. I cannot believe how much my building style has changed since our first RP! I finally managed a convincing "step" on the bottom of a rebuild of the SILK-165 Hanhi (Goose) replaced my generic 2nd Gen gun turrets with decent third gen ones with rotation, elevation and camera views that actually show the gunner's POV so you aren't likely to shoot yourself down unless you do it intentionally. lol Funny enough its probably easier to take off with this one using a joystick as I have to flutter the elevator to take off without dipping the tail into the drink. lol
Looking back on this month old build, I think you captured the lines of the ole Wooden Wonder pretty well with this build. The PRU Blue overall color tells me its a reconnaissance variant from sometime either during or after D-Day, though the guns far outboard confuse me. I wish there was a way Android users like yourself could get as much out of the game as Windows or iOS users through nudging and such. Anyway, good job on representing this aircraft! Keep up the good work!!
@bjac0 W00t! I was able to offer advice on a coming build! :-D A lot of the more obscure types from that game would be neat, in reality. The Ao-192 Kurier I think was the other one? I distinctly remember the Kurier part. Honestly I was surprised to see the Fw-57 IN the game at all. Back in the day before targets were clusters of targets, I had a lot of fun diving away, finding mountains and canyons to hide in and pick off the enemy base. I tried it again more recently and wow it's changed. lol
@TheOwlAce I think the trapeze idea would flop, honestly, but a parasite fighter that can at least get to international water if not home under their own power might be possible.
@TheOwlAce Actually that tiny little enemy fighter, which I called the SAAB J.19 Light Fighter, actually linked up with TWO of my planes in mid-air flight by hooking it's horizontal stab up under the horizontal stab of the larger aircraft when they were buzzing around me. XD Although as soon as the larger aircraft changed its pitch the lil Saab blew up. XD
@TheOwlAce I already did the research into it. Prior to WW1 they had two red stripes with a white stripe on each wing and tail surface. They adopted a black cross on a white background since they imported many of their combat aircraft from Germany though during the war, though some pilots opted to remove them in favor of the red/white/red stripe.
Close but not quite what I was thinking although carrying the bombload and a parasite fighter would be a handy capability! I was thinking more like a stand on the wings where conventional fighters are placed, can be deployed to defend the squadron and either link back with some sort of trapeze arrangement or simply fly back to friendly territory or a rendesvous point where they can bail out and be recovered by a rescue aircraft if its still too far.
@TheOwlAce I've been thinking along those lines. First I wanna get an idea of what sort of industries historically developed within the borders of what would have been Austro-Hungary. Looking at equipment developed there in the real world will give me a feel for what the predominant "style" is. I need to also consider what markings they might have chosen once they developed an air arm without WW1 having happened. I'd love to use the imperial insignia but I'm not that good with fiddly bits to make those markings.
@TheOwlAce There's always the concept of bombers in the formation without a single bomb - but with one or two parasite fighters that can loiter to defend for X amount of time before heading for water to bail out and be picked up by ships or S & R planes? I was considering that option for the Ukkonen... lol
@TheOwlAce I'm not sure to be honest. I just plucked that name out since it was one of the WW1 Central Powers nations. (And I just saw a vid on Youtube by czechdiggers who were searching for WW2 relics and instead came upon a small tin hidden in a crevice in a wall with WW1 Austro-Hungarian money and a military service belt buckle of the same. XD) I need to look at a pre-WW1 map first to make sure they did share a border with Imperial Russia. The first world war is one area where my knowledge of military history is really fuzzy and only recently (the last couple of years) started taking any interest in it.
@TheOwlAce That might not work if Germania siezed all of Se Suomi Imperiumi though~ XD Perhaps the Austro-Hungarian Empire or the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
@Somberbask No problem, I wanted answers myself and so thought others might be interested in those answers as well. Alas, it appears the Devs haven't bothered with this data though~
@MisterMasada LOL! Nothin' wrong with pontoons, they're just a pain to balance properly and learn to land on them. I don't know how many people have told me that my floatplanes always flip on them, I tell 'em how it's done and they say it still doesn't work. I have everything on my game set to high so I don't think it's a problem with the model so much as there being a completely different method to landing and taking off in a seaplane or float plane from land planes. My most recent "pontoon plane," is my fastest and most detailed I think. However the loooong flag of flavor text probably chased people away from the flight manual below that tells you exactly how to handle her on take-off, on landing and I think even taxi instruction. XD It involves careful throttle control, when to engage or release pitch control right down to what speed she'll take to the air and how you want to settle into the water on landing. XD This aircraft, in the show, left me a little puzzled as it seemed to be fueled by water. Don't ask, 'cuz I don't know and really the plane wasn't so much a "character" in the story as part of the major stage prop (no pun intended) for the journey.
@TheOwlAce Probably the Focke-Wulf Fw-668 or one of your' sea plane designs, can't think of its name offhand, but it was an earlier one. The Fw-668 reminded me a lot of the B-17 with a German or maybe French twist. I think a lot of your' work has inspired my builds. I never gave a lot of thought towards contra-rotating propeller designs until I decided to try to play the antagonist in your' RP a while back. Now I love contra-rotating prop designs and have fun building them. I've always really liked seaplanes and floatplanes too. One of my earliest designs on here was a generic float plane with questionable floats but I had a blast building and flying it all over the SPs tiny lil sandbox.
@Stampede Well, I'm now about 8 hours into the rebuild of the A-20 for the P-70 variant. I've gone completely OCD on the dimensions, details and well ... there isn't much left of your' original A-20! It'll still be a successor though. XD (And it was XD long before it was xD, my friend, I've been chatting with folks around the world and using emotes since before you were an itch in your' Dad's boxer shorts! lmao j/k) I know in texting it's become xD though. lol Old habits die hard.
@Stampede I just mentioned off hand that you forgot to paint the glazing! XD Look back at some of my earlest builds, I have a pathetic excuse for a few variants of Ju-86s there. XD
@Stampede lol I've lived near several bases over the years so I've seen lots of scenes that made me wonder that - but that time in Oxnard Cali was the first. lol
Looks great, but I think you might wanna nudge some modded fuel blocks into it to reduce her weight and I think you'd see the performance from her you were looking for!
@Stampede He says, "I never knew it was a myth????? Besides my cat Mousie would probably eat it." Come to think of it, she was our top mouser in our old house.
@Stampede It was actually higher budget for it's day. I was younger than the both of you when it was filmed when a formation of Vals, Kates and Zeros flew over my grandparents' place in Cali back in the '80s. I freaked out, I'll never forget the roar of those engines! They weren't real of course, they were cosmetically altered T-6 Texans.
@TheOwlAce Aesthetic reasons, I can understand that!! ^_^
@zed Thanks ... again? ^_~
@zed So I see! lol
@TAplanes The US, why do you ask?
@TheOwlAce I'm going to be testing rescaled T1000s, for larger scale, to see what the effect is. I suspect they will be better but I can't be certain. I did discover that rescaled prop engines, that are smaller, are inferior to normal scale. However jet engines do not show that drop in performance, strangely enough! I used the in-game P-51, saved as "A Test" to see how a tiny one of the newest engines would effect performance if mounted on the belly. Nothin' like a hybrid prop-jet screaming around the skies at supersonic speeds. I took off the prop then and nudged that engine into its place, adjusted weights accordingly and found out that the propeller was slowing it down! lol Anyway so by proxy, if smaller prop engines are inferior it stands to reason that larger would be superior while retaining the T1000s fuel efficiency at that! Then I don't need to worry about T2000s or T3000s to provide power I'll just use my usual "power egg" twin contra-rotating T1000s on a larger scale to propel my future airship. lol
I can see why you're proud of this one, it's a huge improvement over the elder design! At 130+ DLs already, you're doing well!
I do have one question though, with the reduced weight of the new rotators, why haven't you opted to convert over to them when weight is a luxury you cannot squander in an airship?
@TheOwlAce Yeah, over 150 DLs man, that's REALLY impressive!!!
@Shmexysmpilot I admit that when I first saw his airship designs I just kinda smirked as it reminded me of ... well ... most final fantasy games in a sense. I never tried to fly one until Owly here insisted I try one. I was equally impressed. I was all like; "How the {Explative Deleted} does this fly?!" I did the same as you did recently and was thoroughly amazed! He's only gotten better at making them too! Then he tells me he wants me to build airships for the RP we have coming up and I keep thinking to myself, "How can I compare to his skill with these?!" It's a pretty tall order... ;-)
Wow!! You REALLY nailed this design, @TAplanes!! Great job!!
@MrVaultech Finnish Nazi sympathizers discovered that Finland was engaging in high level secret discussions with the Allies to turn on Nazi Germany, attacking their lines from the rear to cause a collapse of supplies and create a killing box, on the condition that the Soviet Union NEVER be permitted to exist in a post-war state. Upon learning of this, they overthrew the government in a night of terror and gunfire. Nazi officials were caught unprepared but were forced to restore order in Finland to keep the Finnish Army and Air Force from disintegrating. (i.e. I'm out)
@Othawne I second the Sea Vixen vote! @ChaMikey Tell meh that's next ... twin ... boom ... jet!!! -froths at mouth with excitement-
Great googlie-mooglie she's bootifuhl~ Okay, as beautiful as the Peacemaker can be anyway! lol GREAT build as always, I am tremendously impressed with this. Though you had trouble finishing her out you did a dang good job!
@Shmexysmpilot I know what you're saying, these things look like should plow into water when they're done terrorizing the pygmies below, I was shocked too when I tried to land one on the water and slowly watched its mast disappear beneath the sea. D-: Owly's been trying to get me to build an airship for months, I'm going to TRY to get mine to be sea based but we'll see how she turns out first. He has an uncanny knack for these impressive flying battleships and I just have no idea if I can approach his skill level at balancing them.
@STUNTPILOT Yep bouyancy makes parts float, Dead Weight helps to balance out an aircraft, and Fuel gives you ... well ... fuel! ;-)
@TheOwlAce See you have your' own following with your' giant flying ships! ;-) Speaking of lighter than air gas, my friend, that reminds me ... there's an XML code for lightening parts or making them have no weight at all. I used it on the flying boat I mentioned earlier, on her wing and tail markings. (No reason performance should suffer from a layer of, admittedly, thick paint that much!) lol Strangely I feel like Neo telling Morpheus, "I know Kung Fu," in the Matrix. XD
@TheOwlAce Smart arse trolls, eh? Your' airships are looking better and better! I hope my first can begin to compare in any way/shape/form. I've not started on it, sadly. I cannot believe how much my building style has changed since our first RP! I finally managed a convincing "step" on the bottom of a rebuild of the SILK-165 Hanhi (Goose) replaced my generic 2nd Gen gun turrets with decent third gen ones with rotation, elevation and camera views that actually show the gunner's POV so you aren't likely to shoot yourself down unless you do it intentionally. lol Funny enough its probably easier to take off with this one using a joystick as I have to flutter the elevator to take off without dipping the tail into the drink. lol
Looking back on this month old build, I think you captured the lines of the ole Wooden Wonder pretty well with this build. The PRU Blue overall color tells me its a reconnaissance variant from sometime either during or after D-Day, though the guns far outboard confuse me. I wish there was a way Android users like yourself could get as much out of the game as Windows or iOS users through nudging and such. Anyway, good job on representing this aircraft! Keep up the good work!!
Thanks for stopping by and upvoting, @TAplanes! ^_^
@bjac0 W00t! I was able to offer advice on a coming build! :-D A lot of the more obscure types from that game would be neat, in reality. The Ao-192 Kurier I think was the other one? I distinctly remember the Kurier part. Honestly I was surprised to see the Fw-57 IN the game at all. Back in the day before targets were clusters of targets, I had a lot of fun diving away, finding mountains and canyons to hide in and pick off the enemy base. I tried it again more recently and wow it's changed. lol
@TheOwlAce I think the trapeze idea would flop, honestly, but a parasite fighter that can at least get to international water if not home under their own power might be possible.
How about doing a remaster on your' Fw-57 and its' companion design from a year ago?
@TheOwlAce It was purely an accidental collision between an AI plane and one I was test flying. lol
She's a beauty alright~! Didn't the Aussies use the F. Mk.8 in Korea?
@TheOwlAce Actually that tiny little enemy fighter, which I called the SAAB J.19 Light Fighter, actually linked up with TWO of my planes in mid-air flight by hooking it's horizontal stab up under the horizontal stab of the larger aircraft when they were buzzing around me. XD Although as soon as the larger aircraft changed its pitch the lil Saab blew up. XD
@Supermini555 Sweet, a successful experiment then! :-D You are now a pioneer in the proliferation of SimpleCars! XD
@TheOwlAce I already did the research into it. Prior to WW1 they had two red stripes with a white stripe on each wing and tail surface. They adopted a black cross on a white background since they imported many of their combat aircraft from Germany though during the war, though some pilots opted to remove them in favor of the red/white/red stripe.
Close but not quite what I was thinking although carrying the bombload and a parasite fighter would be a handy capability! I was thinking more like a stand on the wings where conventional fighters are placed, can be deployed to defend the squadron and either link back with some sort of trapeze arrangement or simply fly back to friendly territory or a rendesvous point where they can bail out and be recovered by a rescue aircraft if its still too far.
@TheOwlAce I've been thinking along those lines. First I wanna get an idea of what sort of industries historically developed within the borders of what would have been Austro-Hungary. Looking at equipment developed there in the real world will give me a feel for what the predominant "style" is. I need to also consider what markings they might have chosen once they developed an air arm without WW1 having happened. I'd love to use the imperial insignia but I'm not that good with fiddly bits to make those markings.
@TheOwlAce There's always the concept of bombers in the formation without a single bomb - but with one or two parasite fighters that can loiter to defend for X amount of time before heading for water to bail out and be picked up by ships or S & R planes? I was considering that option for the Ukkonen... lol
lol My comment about the lack of sufficient escort for our long range bomber designs has really gotten to you, hasn't it? XD
@TheOwlAce I'm not sure to be honest. I just plucked that name out since it was one of the WW1 Central Powers nations. (And I just saw a vid on Youtube by czechdiggers who were searching for WW2 relics and instead came upon a small tin hidden in a crevice in a wall with WW1 Austro-Hungarian money and a military service belt buckle of the same. XD) I need to look at a pre-WW1 map first to make sure they did share a border with Imperial Russia. The first world war is one area where my knowledge of military history is really fuzzy and only recently (the last couple of years) started taking any interest in it.
Hah! Cool!!
@TheOwlAce That might not work if Germania siezed all of Se Suomi Imperiumi though~ XD Perhaps the Austro-Hungarian Empire or the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
@PlanesOfOld In USAF service though, they were indeed B-57 Canberras though~ Great work @TAplanes!
Very nice!! I suggest adding the Parts and Weapon tag to this as well, for ease of others in search of convincing grouped weapons! ^_^
@Somberbask No problem, I wanted answers myself and so thought others might be interested in those answers as well. Alas, it appears the Devs haven't bothered with this data though~
Interesting!! Did it provide the effect you had hoped for, like sticking better in curves?
Give 'em heck, @MikuKat.
@MisterMasada LOL! Nothin' wrong with pontoons, they're just a pain to balance properly and learn to land on them. I don't know how many people have told me that my floatplanes always flip on them, I tell 'em how it's done and they say it still doesn't work. I have everything on my game set to high so I don't think it's a problem with the model so much as there being a completely different method to landing and taking off in a seaplane or float plane from land planes. My most recent "pontoon plane," is my fastest and most detailed I think. However the loooong flag of flavor text probably chased people away from the flight manual below that tells you exactly how to handle her on take-off, on landing and I think even taxi instruction. XD It involves careful throttle control, when to engage or release pitch control right down to what speed she'll take to the air and how you want to settle into the water on landing. XD This aircraft, in the show, left me a little puzzled as it seemed to be fueled by water. Don't ask, 'cuz I don't know and really the plane wasn't so much a "character" in the story as part of the major stage prop (no pun intended) for the journey.
@TheOwlAce I was half thinking about it but as a collaborative against Imperial Russia or The Empire of Britannia.
@TheOwlAce Probably the Focke-Wulf Fw-668 or one of your' sea plane designs, can't think of its name offhand, but it was an earlier one. The Fw-668 reminded me a lot of the B-17 with a German or maybe French twist. I think a lot of your' work has inspired my builds. I never gave a lot of thought towards contra-rotating propeller designs until I decided to try to play the antagonist in your' RP a while back. Now I love contra-rotating prop designs and have fun building them. I've always really liked seaplanes and floatplanes too. One of my earliest designs on here was a generic float plane with questionable floats but I had a blast building and flying it all over the SPs tiny lil sandbox.
@Stampede Well, I'm now about 8 hours into the rebuild of the A-20 for the P-70 variant. I've gone completely OCD on the dimensions, details and well ... there isn't much left of your' original A-20! It'll still be a successor though. XD (And it was XD long before it was xD, my friend, I've been chatting with folks around the world and using emotes since before you were an itch in your' Dad's boxer shorts! lmao j/k) I know in texting it's become xD though. lol Old habits die hard.
@Stampede I just mentioned off hand that you forgot to paint the glazing! XD Look back at some of my earlest builds, I have a pathetic excuse for a few variants of Ju-86s there. XD
Now THIS is original! XD
@MisterMasada Not a bad flick, seeing this pop up in my feed did surprise me though! ^_^ Great job!
I didn't mean ya had to change it! XD
@Stampede lol I've lived near several bases over the years so I've seen lots of scenes that made me wonder that - but that time in Oxnard Cali was the first. lol
@Stampede THAT might try to eat his cat!! lmao
Looks great, but I think you might wanna nudge some modded fuel blocks into it to reduce her weight and I think you'd see the performance from her you were looking for!
@Stampede He says, "I never knew it was a myth????? Besides my cat Mousie would probably eat it." Come to think of it, she was our top mouser in our old house.
@Stampede It was actually higher budget for it's day. I was younger than the both of you when it was filmed when a formation of Vals, Kates and Zeros flew over my grandparents' place in Cali back in the '80s. I freaked out, I'll never forget the roar of those engines! They weren't real of course, they were cosmetically altered T-6 Texans.