@Noname918181 I'm just kidding. It's pretty difficult making things like this interesting to the casual observer. I do try and make an effort to make reading it somewhat less tedious.
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@Jim1the1Squid " I'm not 100% sure there's a definitive way to becoming a mod. sometimes you have to apply to be one, other times the devs will just independently ask you."
@Jim1the1Squid honestly, I'm not 100% sure there's a definitive way to becoming a mod. Sometimes you have to apply to be one, other times the devs will just independently ask you.
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These days I think they look for users that have took around for a very long time and have been consistently active throughout that time.
I'm not 100% sure who removed it or why. But if I had to guess, upon first glance, I would say it was removed for openly stating that you're an enemy with user(s) on the site as well as going as far as to name the individuals you're not friends with. Seems like a case for starting drama.
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Also, unless it's serious and requires instant attention, please don't resort to tagging every single moderator/dev. Just 1 one or 2 active moderators for issues such as this. Rest assured your issues will be seen to a short time after tagging the relevant moderators. Although, moderators such as myself have restricted "working hours" due to other commitments.
@SledDriver also there's at least 4 (from a brief search, courtesy of Tully) other active users on the site that use it as an easy way of spacing paragraphs. Even other moderators. But I guess they're also me too.
@SledDriver yes it is. However, one could assume that you're implying the opposite. So to address any doubts you may have:
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For a start when I debate people, I debate. I don't lose sight of the objective and I don't deviate from the line that leads to it unless the opposition throws a curve ball that needs to be addressed.
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And I certainly don't resort to direct insults. To an observer, your credibility is lost the moment you resort to insults, regardless of how good your point is because it shows your morals have weak points. And if your morals are questionable then it's possible that the intentions of your argument are too.
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For this very reason, I don't debate to change the mind of the person I'm debating. I debate to change the mind of an observer that's on the wall, spectating the argument. That way I'm morally in the clear, providing I also put forward a good argument.
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Besides, Andrew would likely revoke my status as a moderator if I was to engage in such behaviour on the site. And I'd likely lose some respect from the moderators.
@SledDriver @spaceyoter it would seem that there's beef between you two. While I'm not one for personally discouraging debating on the site, it does get a bit much when both parties resort to insulting each other.
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Whether it's insinuating one takes "reading comprehension classes" or calling people a "lazy sloth", it objectively comes under the category for being unfriendly to one another and perhaps borderline bullying. This obviously isn't tolerated on the site.
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Normally I'd issue a strike for such behaviour, but since this seems to have regressed from a normal (and presumably well intentioned) debate, it's a matter of interpretation on who the culprit is in this scenario. So I'll let you both off the hook on this occasion. However, please bear in mind, myself or the other mods may not be so lenient in the future.
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Also @SledDriver if you're going to remove comments on your posts, I highly advise you to delete your responses to your comments in future as it leaves little to interpretation and some might say it even defeats the point of deleting them, especially when you're making direct quotes to them. As a result, you may find it negatively impacts how other players see you. Whether you personally care about that or not is up to you, but it makes our jobs as moderators easier when potential for hate towards other players is kept to a minimum.
Your post has been removed. Please read these rules about posting planes.
Please try to make major changes to a plane before posting it. Simply painting an object a different color, or adding a few guns is not enough to consider it your own. In the future please credit the original maker, and try to post your own work.
@Viper3000ad Avgas is used in piston engine aircraft, although that's likely to change in the future due to environmental concerns. Jet A1 is most commonly used for commercial jet powered aircraft, although Jet B is used in cold climates due to lower freezing point. I think JP8 fuel is used for military aircraft,.
@HarryBen47 Don't worry, I still have ideas for more informative articles. I have plans to cover gas turbines in more detail, as well as configurations, etc. Aerospace has a lot of aspects to it and while I don't think I'll cover them all, I'll try to cover the important things regarding aircraft design since it's appropriate for the site/game.
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If you (or anyone else reading this for that matter) has something they'd like to see me cover, feel free to suggest it and at the very least, I'll cover it in an article or (if it's a large enough topic) dedicate a post to it.
I've removed the portion of the post which asked for upvotes as this is against the rules. Normally I'd remove said post, but since this is ongoing and obviously a very personal matter, I've edited the post for you instead. Please bear the rules in mind for future posts.
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I hope everything works out for the best for you and your family during these hard times.
"the squirrel". I'll have you know I come from a smoke free home. I refuse to indulge in such atrocities like smoking a cigar. One must look after ones self and instead vape earl grey tea to calm ones nerves after a long day at work.
I disagree heavily with number 4. I guess you could say every fibre of my engineer brain hates it.
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Turn rates vary with speed and I've seen some pretty agile fighters have high turn rates at low speeds (thus not pulling too many GS). I suspect this is what the builds in SP you're referring to are trying to do. Granted you shouldn't be pulling 360 noscopes at Mach 2 in under 4 seconds. Like you say, it would crush the pilot.
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However, being able to do this in SP is not the fault of the aircraft's creator, but rather the lack to system/physics emulation on control surfaces in SP.
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The thing is, air resistance on the control surface impacts how easily you can move the control surfaces.
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The faster you fly the harder it is to move the control column, thus mechanically limiting your rate of turn (fly by wire systems have an artificial resistance input which a computer adjusts according to air speed).
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This doesn't translate well to builds in SP because you've have to make one of the two choices:
- have a plane the turns normally at high speeds but too slow at low speeds.
- have a plane that turns normally at low speeds but too fast at high speeds.
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In this situation, the creator of the build is not at fault, but rather the limitations of the game.
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Other than that, the other points you raise are quite valid.
@Blue0Bull The YF-23 was a bit of a wild card and looks the way it does because they emphasised stealth over manoeuvrability, although I'd argue it still looks quite similar to the F-22. I mainly chose the SU-57 and F-22 as an example because a lot of people like to claim the SU-57 is a copy of the F-22 and they're both stealthy aircraft with an emphasis on manoeuvrability.
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Obviously, there are variations within the classifications, for example the J-20 doesn't really look anything like the SU-57 and that's mainly because of the configuration difference. There are some interesting stealth concepts out there, but they never got built because they didn't fit the requirements, were too expensive, were being developed during a transitional stage in the industry, etc.
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I personally don't think Sukhoi took inspiration from Lockheed for its design. At least not to the extent that some people imply. They were on a budget and played it safe with a traditional surface configuration from the tried and tested SU-27. It was a natural progression for them. Sukhoi would be risking their financial stability otherwise, they don't have the history of canard configuration that the likes of SAAB and Chengdu have and likely didn't have the budget to try out weird tail designs like Northrop did. If they went with something with a 1st gen stealth look, they'd ruin any chance of air superiority with the poor drag characteristics. Realistically, the only configuration they could have opted for is a delta wing or a 3 surface layout and a three surface layout would only add to the cost due to increased complexity (again Sukhoi was on a budget. They didn't have the good old soviet union throwing money at them because it no longer existed).
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In reality, even with the standard control layout the SU-57 looks a lot different to the F-22 and employs a slightly different philosophy with again, emphasis on agility. The intakes are mounted differently, the weapons bays are in completely different locations, the SU-57 engines are mounted at an outward angle and don't have stealthy nozzles, it has extra weapon bays at the wing root, the wing and tail angles are completely different, etc. If anything, once you get into the specifics, and the SU-57 is a just a completely different aircraft to the F-22 in terms of design, with the only real visual similarities being a stealthy profile and a standard flight surface layout
@Dinoairplanes I haven't got plans for a new one anytime soon. Lacking the motivation to get one finished. I made a few ones to test out some unity tools, but I never got them to a state where I could release them.
@TheLatentImage I flew yours just before, before I made the final tweaks on this. And it is a fun aircraft to fly. The VTOL works great on it and its a smooth flight. About to take it out for another spin.
"IM NOT ASKING FOR UPVOTES, BUT IF YOU MIND, UPVOTING THIS MEANS THAT YOU CARE"
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So what you're saying is "upvote this, but I'm not asking for upvotes"?
I believe this post has the repercussion of causing drama. If you have an issue with a user, please contact a mod instead of making a forum post. I believe Eternal is handling the situation.
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Oh wait... wrong protocol runs back inside and slams the door closed
I mean he's not wrong, but he's not right either. Air disasters are heavily publicised and put people off flying a lot, despite flying being the safest mode of transport. Thus it's within the company's best interests to buy safe aircraft so passengers don't get all scared about falling out the sky and splatting all over the nearest hillside.
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look at the 737 MAX and how many companies have pulled out on orders from that and flying the aircraft in their fleets. All for the sake of 2 crashes. It's because people don't want to fly on something they've heard a lot of bad news about, regardless of whether they're at more risk of being in a car crash, etc. Aircraft crashes aren't as normalised as other accidents with other forms of transport and thus when something goes wrong, it's comparatively speaking, blown out of proportion.
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So we can basically sum the issue up with:
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"unsafe" planes = less customers flying = less money
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"safe" planes = more customers flying = more money
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Thus it is accurate to say that commercial planes are designed to be safe because that makes it a better money making machine.
. HOWEVER, what does bother me in that comment is: "maybe because they're light (no metal structure)". Which implies:
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metal structure = unsafe plane
. I think we can all agree that this is by far the worst implication of that comment.
@WarHawk95 I wasn't lying when I said they were an underrated band. I listen to a lot of Glam/Hair Metal bands like Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Motley Crue, Poison, etc. and those guys put most of the original 80's bands to shame.
My favourite song at the moment is Silent Thunder by Crazy Lixx It's about aircraft and honestly, it's probably the most underrated song/band in the world. If you're into Bon Jovi and the song "Highway to the Danger Zone" or just 80's music in general, you'll love this.
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Ironically, that song came out this year contrary to it's sound. Also, The music video is pretty awesome too lots of planes and blowing things up.
@Noname918181 I'm just kidding. It's pretty difficult making things like this interesting to the casual observer. I do try and make an effort to make reading it somewhat less tedious.
@Noname918181
Squirrel wants to know your location
+1Your post has been removed. Please read these rules about posting planes.
Please try to make major changes to a plane before posting it. Simply painting an object a different color, or adding a few guns is not enough to consider it your own. In the future please credit the original maker, and try to post your own work.
Your post has been removed. Please read these rules about posting planes.
Please try to make major changes to a plane before posting it. Simply painting an object a different color, or adding a few guns is not enough to consider it your own. In the future please credit the original maker, and try to post your own work.
@Jim1the1Squid " I'm not 100% sure there's a definitive way to becoming a mod. sometimes you have to apply to be one, other times the devs will just independently ask you."
@Jim1the1Squid honestly, I'm not 100% sure there's a definitive way to becoming a mod. Sometimes you have to apply to be one, other times the devs will just independently ask you.
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These days I think they look for users that have took around for a very long time and have been consistently active throughout that time.
@MTakach nope.
I'm not 100% sure who removed it or why. But if I had to guess, upon first glance, I would say it was removed for openly stating that you're an enemy with user(s) on the site as well as going as far as to name the individuals you're not friends with. Seems like a case for starting drama.
+8.
Also, unless it's serious and requires instant attention, please don't resort to tagging every single moderator/dev. Just 1 one or 2 active moderators for issues such as this. Rest assured your issues will be seen to a short time after tagging the relevant moderators. Although, moderators such as myself have restricted "working hours" due to other commitments.
@SledDriver also there's at least 4 (from a brief search, courtesy of Tully) other active users on the site that use it as an easy way of spacing paragraphs. Even other moderators. But I guess they're also me too.
@SledDriver yes it is. However, one could assume that you're implying the opposite. So to address any doubts you may have:
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For a start when I debate people, I debate. I don't lose sight of the objective and I don't deviate from the line that leads to it unless the opposition throws a curve ball that needs to be addressed.
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And I certainly don't resort to direct insults. To an observer, your credibility is lost the moment you resort to insults, regardless of how good your point is because it shows your morals have weak points. And if your morals are questionable then it's possible that the intentions of your argument are too.
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For this very reason, I don't debate to change the mind of the person I'm debating. I debate to change the mind of an observer that's on the wall, spectating the argument. That way I'm morally in the clear, providing I also put forward a good argument.
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Besides, Andrew would likely revoke my status as a moderator if I was to engage in such behaviour on the site. And I'd likely lose some respect from the moderators.
@SledDriver @spaceyoter it would seem that there's beef between you two. While I'm not one for personally discouraging debating on the site, it does get a bit much when both parties resort to insulting each other.
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Whether it's insinuating one takes "reading comprehension classes" or calling people a "lazy sloth", it objectively comes under the category for being unfriendly to one another and perhaps borderline bullying. This obviously isn't tolerated on the site.
.
Normally I'd issue a strike for such behaviour, but since this seems to have regressed from a normal (and presumably well intentioned) debate, it's a matter of interpretation on who the culprit is in this scenario. So I'll let you both off the hook on this occasion. However, please bear in mind, myself or the other mods may not be so lenient in the future.
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Also @SledDriver if you're going to remove comments on your posts, I highly advise you to delete your responses to your comments in future as it leaves little to interpretation and some might say it even defeats the point of deleting them, especially when you're making direct quotes to them. As a result, you may find it negatively impacts how other players see you. Whether you personally care about that or not is up to you, but it makes our jobs as moderators easier when potential for hate towards other players is kept to a minimum.
Your post has been removed. Please read these rules about posting planes.
Please try to make major changes to a plane before posting it. Simply painting an object a different color, or adding a few guns is not enough to consider it your own. In the future please credit the original maker, and try to post your own work.
@CptJacobson thank you!
@Jim1the1Squid there's nothing to see here
Award Winning Force of Unlikely Concord Keepers
+13@Stormfur We already have a month for that. What do you think RPM stands for?
+2Revs Perception Month.
@Chancey21 you're thinking too small.
Build a perfect replica with no weapons, then:
- add red intake/pitot covers (like the real deal when it's in storage)
- mount 2 boom 50s, 2 interceptors, 4 guardians, 2 boom 25s and 4 infernos on it (mount them all properly)
- make it handle like a handicapped brick
- paint it fluorescent pink and yellow
- upload it with the wrong name
- tag Bogdan X
- ...
+13Profit
fixed it for you
@Viper3000ad Avgas is used in piston engine aircraft, although that's likely to change in the future due to environmental concerns. Jet A1 is most commonly used for commercial jet powered aircraft, although Jet B is used in cold climates due to lower freezing point. I think JP8 fuel is used for military aircraft,.
@Strucker Don't worry I'm secretly scared of the fish too
@WNP78 thanks, man!
@Nerfaddict I have plans to cover jet engines all in one post. Also ioinc wind and ion engines provide very little thrust for an typical aircraft.
@HarryBen47 Don't worry, I still have ideas for more informative articles. I have plans to cover gas turbines in more detail, as well as configurations, etc. Aerospace has a lot of aspects to it and while I don't think I'll cover them all, I'll try to cover the important things regarding aircraft design since it's appropriate for the site/game.
+1.
If you (or anyone else reading this for that matter) has something they'd like to see me cover, feel free to suggest it and at the very least, I'll cover it in an article or (if it's a large enough topic) dedicate a post to it.
I've removed the portion of the post which asked for upvotes as this is against the rules. Normally I'd remove said post, but since this is ongoing and obviously a very personal matter, I've edited the post for you instead. Please bear the rules in mind for future posts.
+21.
I hope everything works out for the best for you and your family during these hard times.
"the squirrel". I'll have you know I come from a smoke free home. I refuse to indulge in such atrocities like smoking a cigar. One must look after ones self and instead vape earl grey tea to calm ones nerves after a long day at work.
+8I disagree heavily with number 4. I guess you could say every fibre of my engineer brain hates it.
+13.
Turn rates vary with speed and I've seen some pretty agile fighters have high turn rates at low speeds (thus not pulling too many GS). I suspect this is what the builds in SP you're referring to are trying to do. Granted you shouldn't be pulling 360 noscopes at Mach 2 in under 4 seconds. Like you say, it would crush the pilot.
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However, being able to do this in SP is not the fault of the aircraft's creator, but rather the lack to system/physics emulation on control surfaces in SP.
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The thing is, air resistance on the control surface impacts how easily you can move the control surfaces.
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The faster you fly the harder it is to move the control column, thus mechanically limiting your rate of turn (fly by wire systems have an artificial resistance input which a computer adjusts according to air speed).
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This doesn't translate well to builds in SP because you've have to make one of the two choices:
- have a plane the turns normally at high speeds but too slow at low speeds.
- have a plane that turns normally at low speeds but too fast at high speeds.
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In this situation, the creator of the build is not at fault, but rather the limitations of the game.
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Other than that, the other points you raise are quite valid.
@GINGER01 yeah, I have a few more posts like this one in mind.
+1@Blue0Bull The YF-23 was a bit of a wild card and looks the way it does because they emphasised stealth over manoeuvrability, although I'd argue it still looks quite similar to the F-22. I mainly chose the SU-57 and F-22 as an example because a lot of people like to claim the SU-57 is a copy of the F-22 and they're both stealthy aircraft with an emphasis on manoeuvrability.
+3.
Obviously, there are variations within the classifications, for example the J-20 doesn't really look anything like the SU-57 and that's mainly because of the configuration difference. There are some interesting stealth concepts out there, but they never got built because they didn't fit the requirements, were too expensive, were being developed during a transitional stage in the industry, etc.
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I personally don't think Sukhoi took inspiration from Lockheed for its design. At least not to the extent that some people imply. They were on a budget and played it safe with a traditional surface configuration from the tried and tested SU-27. It was a natural progression for them. Sukhoi would be risking their financial stability otherwise, they don't have the history of canard configuration that the likes of SAAB and Chengdu have and likely didn't have the budget to try out weird tail designs like Northrop did. If they went with something with a 1st gen stealth look, they'd ruin any chance of air superiority with the poor drag characteristics. Realistically, the only configuration they could have opted for is a delta wing or a 3 surface layout and a three surface layout would only add to the cost due to increased complexity (again Sukhoi was on a budget. They didn't have the good old soviet union throwing money at them because it no longer existed).
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In reality, even with the standard control layout the SU-57 looks a lot different to the F-22 and employs a slightly different philosophy with again, emphasis on agility. The intakes are mounted differently, the weapons bays are in completely different locations, the SU-57 engines are mounted at an outward angle and don't have stealthy nozzles, it has extra weapon bays at the wing root, the wing and tail angles are completely different, etc. If anything, once you get into the specifics, and the SU-57 is a just a completely different aircraft to the F-22 in terms of design, with the only real visual similarities being a stealthy profile and a standard flight surface layout
@harits nope. The blueprint I used for the SU-57 is completely different to this one
I'd be willing to participate, time depending. I have 3D thrust vectoring aircraft which I would fly.
Discord: Shizzle Stix #8389
+3oh no no no, my profile picture is all wrong, this won't do at all
+16@Dinoairplanes I haven't got plans for a new one anytime soon. Lacking the motivation to get one finished. I made a few ones to test out some unity tools, but I never got them to a state where I could release them.
@Mmdben noice. Glad you're having fun throwing it around. I also appreciate the swag you added to the gif.
+1@CRJ900Pilot It still shows that message for me lol. I just hit F9 to make all the overlays disappear in the gifs.
@Shippy456 Thank you. I'm an aerospace engineer, so I like to keep my designs familiar and base them on stuff you find in the industry.
@TheLatentImage I'll be sure to let Alfred know how good the VTOL is next time I see him
@HawkerAviation thank you, this was based off the SU-57, F-22, YF-23 and SU-37, so you're not wrong in making that comparison.
@TheLatentImage I flew yours just before, before I made the final tweaks on this. And it is a fun aircraft to fly. The VTOL works great on it and its a smooth flight. About to take it out for another spin.
@1335281286 Change the scale values in XML/use a mod such as overload from the mods page.
+1your "ERB Vordeux" looks like it was hit in the face with a frying pan. I guess you could say I fried your build instead of roasting it.
+4I removed it because you were asking for upvotes
+6"IM NOT ASKING FOR UPVOTES, BUT IF YOU MIND, UPVOTING THIS MEANS THAT YOU CARE"
+1.
So what you're saying is "upvote this, but I'm not asking for upvotes"?
I believe this post has the repercussion of causing drama. If you have an issue with a user, please contact a mod instead of making a forum post. I believe Eternal is handling the situation.
opens Jundroo front door wearing a welcome sign while holding a tray of tea and biscuits
+5Oh wait... wrong protocol
runs back inside and slams the door closed
I mean he's not wrong, but he's not right either. Air disasters are heavily publicised and put people off flying a lot, despite flying being the safest mode of transport. Thus it's within the company's best interests to buy safe aircraft so passengers don't get all scared about falling out the sky and splatting all over the nearest hillside.
+14.
look at the 737 MAX and how many companies have pulled out on orders from that and flying the aircraft in their fleets. All for the sake of 2 crashes. It's because people don't want to fly on something they've heard a lot of bad news about, regardless of whether they're at more risk of being in a car crash, etc. Aircraft crashes aren't as normalised as other accidents with other forms of transport and thus when something goes wrong, it's comparatively speaking, blown out of proportion.
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So we can basically sum the issue up with:
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"unsafe" planes = less customers flying = less money
.
"safe" planes = more customers flying = more money
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Thus it is accurate to say that commercial planes are designed to be safe because that makes it a better money making machine.
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HOWEVER, what does bother me in that comment is: "maybe because they're light (no metal structure)". Which implies:
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metal structure = unsafe plane
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I think we can all agree that this is by far the worst implication of that comment.
@WarHawk95 I wasn't lying when I said they were an underrated band. I listen to a lot of Glam/Hair Metal bands like Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Motley Crue, Poison, etc. and those guys put most of the original 80's bands to shame.
+1My favourite song at the moment is Silent Thunder by Crazy Lixx It's about aircraft and honestly, it's probably the most underrated song/band in the world. If you're into Bon Jovi and the song "Highway to the Danger Zone" or just 80's music in general, you'll love this.
+1.
Ironically, that song came out this year contrary to it's sound. Also, The music video is pretty awesome too lots of planes and blowing things up.
@Tully2001 I can't believe you've done this
@Vidal99977 cough
+4I clicked expecting Mr Blobby. My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
+14