I feel it so funny that some people see this as "inappropriate", this robot is well covered by clothes and all the equipments and functions show it as a combat machine instead of a sex doll.
In daily life we can see tons of contents in advertisement or cartoons with more skin exposed, which didn't come with a 10+ age rating.
People should spend their critics on those vibration sticks or the political sarcasms, not on this outstanding work.
beta feedback:
Game seems to run faster than older version, even with the new post-effect on.
Two minor bugs:
1.New heli rotor tend to make a vibration at mid-low rpm, more obvious if unpowered (autogyro).
2.Wind has no effect on new heli rotor, even 200mph wind cannot make it rotate (while an airspeed of 17mph can make it rotate very fast).
@UNBBRGROUN
If you mean the hardwares, sure you can but I don't find it worthy as its body is rather plain and dull;
if you're talking about the software, it need to be precisely calibrated to adapt the plane so I don't think you can easily make it.
hey Andrew, some questions and suggestions here, nothing about VR but I couldn't find a proper place to ask. I need feedback to this, from any of you DEVs, please.
Questions:
1. When using PID function, like PID(t,c,p,i,d), if I set the i to zero, does the game still do the sum calculation anyway? If yes, does this make huge waste of performence ?
2. For guns and cannons, how does AI judge the time to fire? In other words, how should I make AI fire guns? I made an autoaim that can aim the gun and the main cockpit perfectly, but AI just refuse to fire.
3. Does the FT variable system have a limit of the amount of variables? Or does huge amount of variables(like 100) cause great lag?
Suggestion
1. Weapons like guns and cannons need FT input support! Not the activation group, but the trigger! I'm so tired that AI wouldn't fire any FT weapons.
2. Secondary cockpit needs more output variables, especially AltitudeAGL, which would enable much more possibility.
That's all, I know you are busy with VR right now, but please give me a feedback to this, thank you.
@PlanariaLab Thanks for answering, I might have the capability to biuld this but I don't think this original idea would ever come up to my mind.
The launch of SPVR didn't motivate me to purchase a VR hardware, but this did!
Looking foward to your further works on this.
@EdamCheese6 just to be clear, that's a suggestion for your catapult problem(if its cause is really ground detecting issue), not a sudden demand coming from nowhere. The replying system can't show the actual replying chain.
@USSENTERPRISECV6 yes, this mirrored shell took me huge hours to calculate and adjust, and thank Jundroo for bringing the realtime reflection that makes it possible.
the new helicopter parts are detailed and fun to play with, but not perfect.
A highly completed part will make some jobs easier than before, but it also greatly limits the possibilities, that's kind of a paradox for a sandbox game like SP.
For the heli rotor part, it doesn't have an invert option (although rotating it 180 deg can kinda does the job), the collective pitch only has one input so not easy to make roll and pitch control for multi-rotor aircrafts, the power is also single input which make yawing torque without tail rotor impossible (double blade helicopter and multi-rotor aircraft generate yawing torque by differentiating rotating speed).
In all, the new helicopter parts are good, but only for building a conventional single-blade helicopter, hope we can have more expanding possibilities at public version.
@Awsomur @DarthAbhinav Well as a Chinese currently lives in France, I do want to say something. While China is wildly known as communist, it's nothing like the NK nor the USSR, officially we call it "Communism with a Chinese way", which honestly "betrayed" the Communism and is more like a capitalist economy with a gouvernement different than the western ones. Things about Facebook, YouTube and Wikipedia are true, but you need to know that western media and main stream always lead the public to the negative sides of China and even enlarge them, as China is a potential threat at economy and politics. I'm only an engineering student and don't know quite well about politics, but please don't let politics be a factor or even a main stream at this international community of lovers of planes. Let's keep it pure.
Funny that you made this to show your hatred to the NK while saying "I don't know why the NK hates the US".
Same for the others.
This community is for building planes, not for political caricatures.
@Gestour thanks for your reply, I didn't know there was a SDK to install (a beginner that knows literally nothing LOL), and I'm doing it now, hope I can make it right.
The missile jamming function is quite impressive, the camo system does work but the manual switching seems to be a little bugged.
As for the flight, personally I find it kinda hard to fly, the lack of switch between regular/PSM mode make it hard to control, and the PSM stability is not satisfying enough.
Overall, it has some quite interesting features, but the flight is still to be improved.
@GorillaGuerrilla
Well, VTC was born in real world for a reason: wings simply lack capability at extreme AoA.
I wouldn't say a PSM plane without VTC is impossible, there's still plenty of room to develop, but I'm almost certain that its upper limit cannot match those with VTC.
With that saying, I'm still looking forward to see your work, good luck with it.
Tails on the other hand, don't seem that important to me, canards have more advantages than tails in general, a pure canard plane is just fine for me.
@GuyFolk Problems with tails and canards at high AoA indeed exist.
The basic logic I follow is mainly about lift force, I messured the lift curve and biuld some aprox math model etc, but the problem comes with it:
at high AoA(like +80), the wing doesn't provide "lift force"(the one that can be read via part variables) anymore, but has great "drag force"(same, the one from part variable) instead.
Ideally I should switch it from "lift" control to "drag" control at high AoA, but I've been just lazy to complete that part, same for situation at negative airspeed, I only tried to prevent the wings from making negative effects, the controling force comes primarily from vtc at these situations.
I tried you latest F-22, it flies awsome, and you managed to combine pitch and roll controls all in the tails, but I'm not sure if those tails are really helping a lot at extreme AoA, their moves are not quite as I expected to be correct.
Hello, I need some help with VR curation.
I'm planing on a new plane and I intend to make it VR compatible from the beginning, but I don't have any VR headset, can you offer some basic guides and rules?
Mostly dimensional wise, like the distance from camera to display screen, and to control sticks.
Thank you.
damn i've been filling myself with smart ideas today but I now decide to take this challenge! If we loose the ability to be stupid, what good of being clever?
@Valheru better set your cannon velocity 16000 than try doing reverse engineering, cuz the codes are way too long and messy, or wait until i work out a cannon version.
@TropicalCrow a program that will automatically control the control surfaces by calculating flying datas and the input from pilot. It will enhance the performance to the best and even allow an unstable plane to fly.
@sexylips35 after this mod is enabled，a new part called "AOA dispayer" will appear in category Gizmos, you need to put it on you plane and choose if AOA/Climbing rate function is enabled
Hey friend, I'm trying to make mods myself, but I can't even take one step further than the video tutorials, I don't know where to get the infos of how parts behave in scripts (ex how a rotator rotates). How did you get the code needed ? Any suggestions ?
It flies well with full throttle, but can hardly maintain control with low throttle like 30%, meaning its PSM ability still heavily relies on those vectored nozzles, wings are not doing enough job.
@Ventus What game framerate are you playing at ? I did notice wings acting wierd at a low fps around 40, not sure if that's where the problem comes from.
@Nerfaddict Multiple tiny jet engines as RCS? Not impressive, magic pretending being an areoplane is not really one. And if you've ever unpacked my droplet, you would find out that it uses 10 jet engines to have all 6 degrees of controls, being exactly an RCS thing that can do whatever moves I wish.
Well, I can see my droplet hidden in the belly, with the whole set of variables barely modified.
This is not an ideal way to use those codes, and I think a successorship is needed in this case, which you chose to delete.
However, I'm planning to make a simplified version of the droplet core, to make the technology available for other players.
@AWESOMENESS360 It's a symbol ○ (or an "o" might also work) with variable size and alpha value, plus some codes to make these values change over time, plus some more codes to make the frequency change according to speed.
I made a color display demo that can do smooth color and alpha changing, if you are interested.
@OrderlyHippo always glad to help, if you care to understand those codes(very difficult though), variable explanation is in the in-game craft instruction, it might help more or less.
@Simpleplaner656 i would suggest you drag your planes into this as assembly instead, the drone can't be easily grabbed as it has a secondary cockpit inside, plus there are tons of variables that don't go into assemblies.
@Ilikeacecombat if you're talking about those AutoPitch and AutoRoll, no, they are variables I created, which need quite some codes to calculate, go check the custom variables window and have a look
What ? ? ?
+12This deserves an upvote even that I haven't tried it.
Just wondering why Gestour is still not a member of Jundroo.
Amazingly amazing,for the shape and the cockpit view!! The cockpit view !!!! The cockpit view!!!!!
+10very good missile, makes my turret fly.
+8A masterpiece with no doubt, excellent work.
I feel it so funny that some people see this as "inappropriate", this robot is well covered by clothes and all the equipments and functions show it as a combat machine instead of a sex doll.
+8In daily life we can see tons of contents in advertisement or cartoons with more skin exposed, which didn't come with a 10+ age rating.
People should spend their critics on those vibration sticks or the political sarcasms, not on this outstanding work.
@iamTexas That car is one of my favourite too, glad to know you like it
+6非常好飞机，使我大山雀艰难👍
+5@LunarEclipseSP Your mental state seems quite worrying, go see a doctor if possible.
+5beta feedback:
Game seems to run faster than older version, even with the new post-effect on.
Two minor bugs:
+51.New heli rotor tend to make a vibration at mid-low rpm, more obvious if unpowered (autogyro).
2.Wind has no effect on new heli rotor, even 200mph wind cannot make it rotate (while an airspeed of 17mph can make it rotate very fast).
This is the most complex and compact plane I've ever seen.
+5@UNBBRGROUN
+4If you mean the hardwares, sure you can but I don't find it worthy as its body is rather plain and dull;
if you're talking about the software, it need to be precisely calibrated to adapt the plane so I don't think you can easily make it.
@AndrewGarrison @PhilipTarpley @WNP78
+4Guys, my first droplet was a story so long ago, hope this new one can still wow you
hey Andrew, some questions and suggestions here, nothing about VR but I couldn't find a proper place to ask. I need feedback to this, from any of you DEVs, please.
Questions:
1. When using PID function, like PID(t,c,p,i,d), if I set the i to zero, does the game still do the sum calculation anyway? If yes, does this make huge waste of performence ?
2. For guns and cannons, how does AI judge the time to fire? In other words, how should I make AI fire guns? I made an autoaim that can aim the gun and the main cockpit perfectly, but AI just refuse to fire.
3. Does the FT variable system have a limit of the amount of variables? Or does huge amount of variables(like 100) cause great lag?
Suggestion
1. Weapons like guns and cannons need FT input support! Not the activation group, but the trigger! I'm so tired that AI wouldn't fire any FT weapons.
2. Secondary cockpit needs more output variables, especially AltitudeAGL, which would enable much more possibility.
That's all, I know you are busy with VR right now, but please give me a feedback to this, thank you.
+4@PlanariaLab Thanks for answering, I might have the capability to biuld this but I don't think this original idea would ever come up to my mind.
+3The launch of SPVR didn't motivate me to purchase a VR hardware, but this did!
Looking foward to your further works on this.
@EdamCheese6 just to be clear, that's a suggestion for your catapult problem(if its cause is really ground detecting issue), not a sudden demand coming from nowhere. The replying system can't show the actual replying chain.
+3@USSENTERPRISECV6 yes, this mirrored shell took me huge hours to calculate and adjust, and thank Jundroo for bringing the realtime reflection that makes it possible.
+3Made this video, youtube version uploading.
+3Video here
the new helicopter parts are detailed and fun to play with, but not perfect.
A highly completed part will make some jobs easier than before, but it also greatly limits the possibilities, that's kind of a paradox for a sandbox game like SP.
For the heli rotor part, it doesn't have an invert option (although rotating it 180 deg can kinda does the job), the collective pitch only has one input so not easy to make roll and pitch control for multi-rotor aircrafts, the power is also single input which make yawing torque without tail rotor impossible (double blade helicopter and multi-rotor aircraft generate yawing torque by differentiating rotating speed).
In all, the new helicopter parts are good, but only for building a conventional single-blade helicopter, hope we can have more expanding possibilities at public version.
+3@Awsomur @DarthAbhinav Well as a Chinese currently lives in France, I do want to say something. While China is wildly known as communist, it's nothing like the NK nor the USSR, officially we call it "Communism with a Chinese way", which honestly "betrayed" the Communism and is more like a capitalist economy with a gouvernement different than the western ones. Things about Facebook, YouTube and Wikipedia are true, but you need to know that western media and main stream always lead the public to the negative sides of China and even enlarge them, as China is a potential threat at economy and politics. I'm only an engineering student and don't know quite well about politics, but please don't let politics be a factor or even a main stream at this international community of lovers of planes. Let's keep it pure.
+3Funny that you made this to show your hatred to the NK while saying "I don't know why the NK hates the US".
+3Same for the others.
This community is for building planes, not for political caricatures.
@Gestour thanks for your reply, I didn't know there was a SDK to install (a beginner that knows literally nothing LOL), and I'm doing it now, hope I can make it right.
+3The missile jamming function is quite impressive, the camo system does work but the manual switching seems to be a little bugged.
+2As for the flight, personally I find it kinda hard to fly, the lack of switch between regular/PSM mode make it hard to control, and the PSM stability is not satisfying enough.
Overall, it has some quite interesting features, but the flight is still to be improved.
@GorillaGuerrilla try the latest updat, wings do much better now even at extreme AOA, should be close to what you talked of.
+2@GuyFolk I managed to write some different behaviors for canard and tail at high AOA, should fly better now.
+2@SuperSuperTheSylph reducing your throttle should make it milder, throttle like 30% should be soft enough
+2@GorillaGuerrilla
Well, VTC was born in real world for a reason: wings simply lack capability at extreme AoA.
I wouldn't say a PSM plane without VTC is impossible, there's still plenty of room to develop, but I'm almost certain that its upper limit cannot match those with VTC.
With that saying, I'm still looking forward to see your work, good luck with it.
Tails on the other hand, don't seem that important to me, canards have more advantages than tails in general, a pure canard plane is just fine for me.
+2@GuyFolk Problems with tails and canards at high AoA indeed exist.
+2The basic logic I follow is mainly about lift force, I messured the lift curve and biuld some aprox math model etc, but the problem comes with it:
at high AoA(like +80), the wing doesn't provide "lift force"(the one that can be read via part variables) anymore, but has great "drag force"(same, the one from part variable) instead.
Ideally I should switch it from "lift" control to "drag" control at high AoA, but I've been just lazy to complete that part, same for situation at negative airspeed, I only tried to prevent the wings from making negative effects, the controling force comes primarily from vtc at these situations.
I tried you latest F-22, it flies awsome, and you managed to combine pitch and roll controls all in the tails, but I'm not sure if those tails are really helping a lot at extreme AoA, their moves are not quite as I expected to be correct.
@Yellowsheepi
+2Just avoid holding it in that way.
quote from Steve Jobs
Hello, I need some help with VR curation.
+2I'm planing on a new plane and I intend to make it VR compatible from the beginning, but I don't have any VR headset, can you offer some basic guides and rules?
Mostly dimensional wise, like the distance from camera to display screen, and to control sticks.
Thank you.
@bluecomet yeah that was a great fun, your flight was so smooth !
+2damn i've been filling myself with smart ideas today but I now decide to take this challenge! If we loose the ability to be stupid, what good of being clever?
+2I wrote a little game of catching balls.
+2Demo video:
https://b23.tv/zWr8Qh
Is there anyway to make guns and weapons fired by FT codes? I was thinking of pushing a joystick by a piston but it didn't work.
+2@SnoWFLakE0s 80% correct except I used the new label part to display colors instead of using fuselage.
+2@Valheru better set your cannon velocity 16000 than try doing reverse engineering, cuz the codes are way too long and messy, or wait until i work out a cannon version.
+2@TropicalCrow a program that will automatically control the control surfaces by calculating flying datas and the input from pilot. It will enhance the performance to the best and even allow an unstable plane to fly.
+2@sexylips35 after this mod is enabled，a new part called "AOA dispayer" will appear in category Gizmos, you need to put it on you plane and choose if AOA/Climbing rate function is enabled
+2Hey friend, I'm trying to make mods myself, but I can't even take one step further than the video tutorials, I don't know where to get the infos of how parts behave in scripts (ex how a rotator rotates). How did you get the code needed ? Any suggestions ?
+2It flies well with full throttle, but can hardly maintain control with low throttle like 30%, meaning its PSM ability still heavily relies on those vectored nozzles, wings are not doing enough job.
+1@Ventus What game framerate are you playing at ? I did notice wings acting wierd at a low fps around 40, not sure if that's where the problem comes from.
+1@Nerfaddict Multiple tiny jet engines as RCS? Not impressive, magic pretending being an areoplane is not really one. And if you've ever unpacked my droplet, you would find out that it uses 10 jet engines to have all 6 degrees of controls, being exactly an RCS thing that can do whatever moves I wish.
+1@Ownedpilot worry not, yours is so detailed and cool, mine is just a hardware body for the programm, the plane itself can hardly be called an F-15.
+1@GlowingBrick 那你很棒棒哦
+1Well, I can see my droplet hidden in the belly, with the whole set of variables barely modified.
+1This is not an ideal way to use those codes, and I think a successorship is needed in this case, which you chose to delete.
However, I'm planning to make a simplified version of the droplet core, to make the technology available for other players.
@EdamCheese6 make a ground sensor on the landing gear, by using a shock spring and its extension value to detect if touches ground.
+1@Mobileplayer1029 It's damaged by bombs or missiles carried by your target plane, try someone else without missiles and bombs.
+1@AWESOMENESS360 It's a symbol ○ (or an "o" might also work) with variable size and alpha value, plus some codes to make these values change over time, plus some more codes to make the frequency change according to speed.
+1I made a color display demo that can do smooth color and alpha changing, if you are interested.
@OrderlyHippo always glad to help, if you care to understand those codes(very difficult though), variable explanation is in the in-game craft instruction, it might help more or less.
+1@Simpleplaner656 i would suggest you drag your planes into this as assembly instead, the drone can't be easily grabbed as it has a secondary cockpit inside, plus there are tons of variables that don't go into assemblies.
+1@gingerbreadman free to use for anything you like, crediting is nice enough
+1@Ilikeacecombat if you're talking about those AutoPitch and AutoRoll, no, they are variables I created, which need quite some codes to calculate, go check the custom variables window and have a look
+1