@jpower You missed my point. I personally have no problem with you commenting/upvoting on planes from low rank users, good on you, it's nice to see the community doing what it can to prop up the new users. BUT, that's NOT what Latent and I are trying to get you to see.
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The point is, you called out users to vote and comment on planes that you yourself have NOT commented or upvoted on, which is hypocritical, no matter how you cut it. The excuse that "it keeps them untouched" is quite frankly, the WORST excuse I've heard for not upvoting an upload. They aren't endangered animals, they aren't Pandora's box and they certainly don't need to have their descriptions read out on you local wildlife trust's next board meeting. They're planes. The planes of low ranked users at that. You called pulled them up and said: "hey look at these, upvote and comment on them." which is good. BUT. The fact you literally called everyone else out for not doing something that you yourself aren't doing on the planes YOU called out, to be blunt, is rude and hypocritical.
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"But the feelings of new players is just something you cannot feel anymore." Up until a few months ago, I was a nobody on this site. I still remember what it was like and earlier posts confirm this: I did not in the slightest bit care for how many points I got. I uploaded planes because I liked to and I thought it would be nice for the select few that did notice me to try out what I was bringing to the table. Sure, it was nice to have upvotes and comments, but they were few and far between, and that didn't matter. What get's you noticed is blood sweat and tears. You have to integrate with the community, help others out, and most importantly be resilient and patient. You don't sit there winging, wining and waiting for people to give you a special shout out. Arguably, what you're doing is singling out your preferences on what's good without consideration for others and giving them special attention that they probably don't deserve. That's not promotion, that's manipulation of the site and the ranks of the members, which in my humble opinion is morally wrong.
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I'm done here. Ask for other mod's if you want, no doubt they'll say roughly the same as Latent and I have said.
@jpower Those planes aren't some kind of Pandora's box that if touched lets all hell loose. No it's not easy being a low ranked player. I know, I had to stick it out for about a year as a bronze player and I had nobody backing up my creations apart from about five followers.
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And you've just countered yourself again: "I would have quit by now if a few certain big players had not helped me and gave me some advice". Which is exactly what you haven't done for these players. They need advise and encouragement, how do you think they feel when the one person that tries to promote their stuff hasn't even bothered to comment or upvote it? That would cheese me off to no end.
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I respect your intentions and that you want to give the low ranked users a help in hand, but to be brutally honest, you've gone about it in completely the wrong way.
@jpower I'm going to have to agree with Latent on this. I know you want low profile players to be recognised, but as pointed out it it's kind of hypocritical to call people out for missing these planes they should be commenting on and upvoting on when you don't actually do that either.
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And the excuse seems somewhat off the top of your head, like you were called out for something and then made something up to counter it. "Raw and untouched". If that's the case I fully expect David Attenborough to be narrating the description of these planes in their natural habitat.
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@DuckKing this isn't a rule (as of now), we just collectively agreed as moderators that news headlines shouldn't be appearing in the forum. Arguably it could be classed as spam since I myself alone have deleted two news posts on the same thing in the last 24 hours. I've seen the possibility of certain topics taking a wrong turn. The most recent being the motives of certain people that have appeared in the news. Having seen first hand what can bubble up, I can confirm that the comments on recent news stories can be pretty toxic, which is something the moderators and I don't want on the site for obvious reasons.
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However, if you have points that counter all the points above, I'm willing to listen and take account of your points.
@KingDeadshot As long as it's simpleplanes related I personally see no problem with it. Will ask one of the devs to see what there thoughts on this kind of thing are. See if we can get some rules set in stone.
@Forwind No problem. I understand that you had good intentions, which is obviously always a good thing. You aren't the only one who has had a post regarding this removed, so you're not alone. I appreciate your concern regarding the lack of response. I can only imagine it left you feeling somewhat confused as to why a seemingly innocent post had been removed and again I apologise for not explaining at the time. Normally, I would leave a comment explaining why, but I guess I was too preoccupied this time around and forgot to say anything.
Simply this is a site for aircraft related things as well as some off topic stuff. However, new related topics should be kept off this site. This isn't the BBC and if people want to keep up to date on topics such as the one removed, then they will keep up to date via an official news application. Furthermore, anything you want to post should be posted on your social media web page.
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Also, coming onto this site and being presented with a post regarding the deaths of innocent people is probably not what people want to see on a site regarding gaming, especially if they came on here to take their mind off matters like this (perhaps they are related to said individuals).
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Overall, this is a sensitive subject and should not be posted on forums such as this. Thank you in advance for your understanding and apologies for not explaining on the original post regarding its removal.
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@Johawks1976 Well, the whole point of my SB series of planes is that they'll continue to get bigger. I imagine that even in the near future, this will be dwarfed.
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@MechWARRIOR57 I never said anything about banning anyone. Just to stop complaining about not getting upvotes. As for bad users, you should report them to mods like myself so we can investigate the matter. As a rule of thumb we have a strike system in place (there are exceptions), so the user will often be warned rather than banned anyway. However if they continue to behave badly, that's when the bans make an appearance.
@ALLSTAR7 I deleted your comment. For obvious reasons I can't state the exact word you used without breaching the site rules. Just try to keep bad language off the site please.
@Sunnyskies tried it. It rotates off centre, but not around the cockpit. i suspect the change in the CoM is probably throwing it off its roll axis a little bit, which would explain the spiraling.
@Sunnyskies take a normal camera (the one that isn't the orbit one) place it on a block that's not attached to the aircraft, then fly it. The camera block should stay on the ground. Then switch to the camera view and try to get the plane to fly past the camera while rolling. That will show you how it actually performs.
@Sunnyskies it is an illusion. The camera appears to be the centre because the view is focused on it. If you were to strap yourself to the edge of an air raft wing, while it was performing an aileron role, what would you see?
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From your perspective, the aircraft would appear to rotate about you, rather than the actual centre line of the aircraft. But in reality, to an observer looking at the aircraft itself, everything would appear to be normal. It's just a matter of perspective.
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@Sunnyskies It's an illusion. Get an orbit camera, switch it to fly-by and stick it on the nose. You'll then see that the aircraft appears to roll about the nose.
@Sunnyskies Switch to the fly by view. The camera in both the orbit and chase views are centred around the cockpit, which create the illusion that the plane is rotating around that point. The fly by view on the other hand, doesn't rotate about the cockpit and thus when rolling the plane, you can see the real point of which it rotates about.
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@MikuKat You don't need to ask for my permission on that XD I'm pretty sure a lot of users on this site do that. I was inspired by the PAK FA, which is why I use it.
@MikuKat Since you specifically mentioned engines I assumed that wasn't the case, but like I say, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "strategy you used to place the engines". Do you just mean the fuselage blocks converging into the actual fuselage from the engines?
@MikuKat Sure. I'm not sure what you mean by that, but as long as it's not an outright copy of the whole plane, then I have literally no problem at all! Go for it!
How is anything mentioned rude? Your judging a whole community based on your experience off one moderator that was simply enforcing the rules of the site. I've explained in detail why the rules are the way they are, but you ignore the evidence placed in front of you.
@jpower You missed my point. I personally have no problem with you commenting/upvoting on planes from low rank users, good on you, it's nice to see the community doing what it can to prop up the new users. BUT, that's NOT what Latent and I are trying to get you to see.
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The point is, you called out users to vote and comment on planes that you yourself have NOT commented or upvoted on, which is hypocritical, no matter how you cut it. The excuse that "it keeps them untouched" is quite frankly, the WORST excuse I've heard for not upvoting an upload. They aren't endangered animals, they aren't Pandora's box and they certainly don't need to have their descriptions read out on you local wildlife trust's next board meeting. They're planes. The planes of low ranked users at that. You called pulled them up and said: "hey look at these, upvote and comment on them." which is good. BUT. The fact you literally called everyone else out for not doing something that you yourself aren't doing on the planes YOU called out, to be blunt, is rude and hypocritical.
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"But the feelings of new players is just something you cannot feel anymore." Up until a few months ago, I was a nobody on this site. I still remember what it was like and earlier posts confirm this: I did not in the slightest bit care for how many points I got. I uploaded planes because I liked to and I thought it would be nice for the select few that did notice me to try out what I was bringing to the table. Sure, it was nice to have upvotes and comments, but they were few and far between, and that didn't matter. What get's you noticed is blood sweat and tears. You have to integrate with the community, help others out, and most importantly be resilient and patient. You don't sit there winging, wining and waiting for people to give you a special shout out. Arguably, what you're doing is singling out your preferences on what's good without consideration for others and giving them special attention that they probably don't deserve. That's not promotion, that's manipulation of the site and the ranks of the members, which in my humble opinion is morally wrong.
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I'm done here. Ask for other mod's if you want, no doubt they'll say roughly the same as Latent and I have said.
@jpower Those planes aren't some kind of Pandora's box that if touched lets all hell loose. No it's not easy being a low ranked player. I know, I had to stick it out for about a year as a bronze player and I had nobody backing up my creations apart from about five followers.
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And you've just countered yourself again: "I would have quit by now if a few certain big players had not helped me and gave me some advice". Which is exactly what you haven't done for these players. They need advise and encouragement, how do you think they feel when the one person that tries to promote their stuff hasn't even bothered to comment or upvote it? That would cheese me off to no end.
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I respect your intentions and that you want to give the low ranked users a help in hand, but to be brutally honest, you've gone about it in completely the wrong way.
@jpower I'm going to have to agree with Latent on this. I know you want low profile players to be recognised, but as pointed out it it's kind of hypocritical to call people out for missing these planes they should be commenting on and upvoting on when you don't actually do that either.
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And the excuse seems somewhat off the top of your head, like you were called out for something and then made something up to counter it. "Raw and untouched". If that's the case I fully expect David Attenborough to be narrating the description of these planes in their natural habitat.
@MikuKat Says the one that commented on a post that's over a year old for seemingly no reason XD
@TheLatentImage Thank you!
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@DuckKing this isn't a rule (as of now), we just collectively agreed as moderators that news headlines shouldn't be appearing in the forum. Arguably it could be classed as spam since I myself alone have deleted two news posts on the same thing in the last 24 hours. I've seen the possibility of certain topics taking a wrong turn. The most recent being the motives of certain people that have appeared in the news. Having seen first hand what can bubble up, I can confirm that the comments on recent news stories can be pretty toxic, which is something the moderators and I don't want on the site for obvious reasons.
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However, if you have points that counter all the points above, I'm willing to listen and take account of your points.
@KingDeadshot As long as it's simpleplanes related I personally see no problem with it. Will ask one of the devs to see what there thoughts on this kind of thing are. See if we can get some rules set in stone.
@Johawks1976 I've found a way around that.
@SimpleTechAndResearch Thank you!
@Forwind No problem. I understand that you had good intentions, which is obviously always a good thing. You aren't the only one who has had a post regarding this removed, so you're not alone. I appreciate your concern regarding the lack of response. I can only imagine it left you feeling somewhat confused as to why a seemingly innocent post had been removed and again I apologise for not explaining at the time. Normally, I would leave a comment explaining why, but I guess I was too preoccupied this time around and forgot to say anything.
@SimpleTechAndResearch Yes,it does XD
Simply this is a site for aircraft related things as well as some off topic stuff. However, new related topics should be kept off this site. This isn't the BBC and if people want to keep up to date on topics such as the one removed, then they will keep up to date via an official news application. Furthermore, anything you want to post should be posted on your social media web page.
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Also, coming onto this site and being presented with a post regarding the deaths of innocent people is probably not what people want to see on a site regarding gaming, especially if they came on here to take their mind off matters like this (perhaps they are related to said individuals).
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Overall, this is a sensitive subject and should not be posted on forums such as this. Thank you in advance for your understanding and apologies for not explaining on the original post regarding its removal.
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@Johawks1976 Well, the whole point of my SB series of planes is that they'll continue to get bigger. I imagine that even in the near future, this will be dwarfed.
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@MrMecha you get an impossible packing peanut?
@KingDeadshot well, it's your loss, not mine, either way.
@KingDeadshot But the link doesn't even go to youtube?
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@MrMecha Please refrain from spam
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@MechWARRIOR57 I never said anything about banning anyone. Just to stop complaining about not getting upvotes. As for bad users, you should report them to mods like myself so we can investigate the matter. As a rule of thumb we have a strike system in place (there are exceptions), so the user will often be warned rather than banned anyway. However if they continue to behave badly, that's when the bans make an appearance.
@seacrafts Well, tell your mum you'll be banned if you continue to use foul language as it's against the site rules.
@ALLSTAR7 I deleted your comment. For obvious reasons I can't state the exact word you used without breaching the site rules. Just try to keep bad language off the site please.
@Sunnyskies tried it. It rotates off centre, but not around the cockpit. i suspect the change in the CoM is probably throwing it off its roll axis a little bit, which would explain the spiraling.
@Sunnyskies take a normal camera (the one that isn't the orbit one) place it on a block that's not attached to the aircraft, then fly it. The camera block should stay on the ground. Then switch to the camera view and try to get the plane to fly past the camera while rolling. That will show you how it actually performs.
@Sunnyskies it is an illusion. The camera appears to be the centre because the view is focused on it. If you were to strap yourself to the edge of an air raft wing, while it was performing an aileron role, what would you see?
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From your perspective, the aircraft would appear to rotate about you, rather than the actual centre line of the aircraft. But in reality, to an observer looking at the aircraft itself, everything would appear to be normal. It's just a matter of perspective.
@ALLSTAR7 Less of the language please, kids use this site.
@seacrafts Please refrain from using fowl language
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@Maverick3838 How is this spam? To my knowledge there is no other planes like this.
@Sunnyskies It's an illusion. Get an orbit camera, switch it to fly-by and stick it on the nose. You'll then see that the aircraft appears to roll about the nose.
@Sunnyskies Switch to the fly by view. The camera in both the orbit and chase views are centred around the cockpit, which create the illusion that the plane is rotating around that point. The fly by view on the other hand, doesn't rotate about the cockpit and thus when rolling the plane, you can see the real point of which it rotates about.
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@Eckosong Thank you!
@Coen1888 whatever fires the gun
@MediocrePlanes lol XD soon I'll be just like you.
@SteadfastContracting @Liquidfox Thank you!
@MikuKat You don't need to ask for my permission on that XD I'm pretty sure a lot of users on this site do that. I was inspired by the PAK FA, which is why I use it.
You mean that the engines are separated from one another?
@MikuKat lol XD
Thank you for the upvote!
@MikuKat Still not sure what you mean XD
@MikuKat Since you specifically mentioned engines I assumed that wasn't the case, but like I say, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "strategy you used to place the engines". Do you just mean the fuselage blocks converging into the actual fuselage from the engines?
@MikuKat Sure. I'm not sure what you mean by that, but as long as it's not an outright copy of the whole plane, then I have literally no problem at all! Go for it!
How is anything mentioned rude? Your judging a whole community based on your experience off one moderator that was simply enforcing the rules of the site. I've explained in detail why the rules are the way they are, but you ignore the evidence placed in front of you.