Some advice for how to do well in airplane tournaments, for future tournaments:
https://www.simpleplanes.com/Forums/View/1103263/How-to-win-airplane-tournaments
After having saved humanity from the glitch planes years ago, I failed humanity in the rematch. I'm sorry everyone. I couldn't channel enough yuri-power I guess. GG @bjac0
I was kinda looking forward to being crushed by these airbrake propulsion planes, but I guess I'll have to make do with Homura-Madoka vs the shakers round 2.
@0n33
Also beware that group 8 won't activate during the race. So using detachers during the race is impossible. (maybe it is possible by doing weird stuff with the xml, but whatever)
@Hedero
Definitely the wrong place to ask, and the wrong person to ask. Try asking your question to the mod's author on Overload's mod page. https://www.simpleplanes.com/Mods/View/524146/Overload
@owenliu
Just about everything Overload does can be considered xml modding. Not all xml-modding is dissallowed though. From the top of my head: everything related to engines, fuel, weight or scale are the forbidden parts. If you ever are unsure whether your plane obeys all rules, there is a validate button in the designer's airplanes properties menu.
@Chancey21 @owenliu
It's fine as long as all predecessors are your own. I've entered at least a dozen tournaments with planes that had predecessors of my own.
@ThePlaninatior
Allow me to introduce you to KiNo's DampfWespe, the plane that won Indy air race 2 times, and only didn't win the third because he didn't participate. And I'd argue it is the best racing plane ever made in this game. https://www.simpleplanes.com/a/AWJ57e/D-AMPF-wespe-VI
It has huge surfaces on his giant horizontal stabilizers bound to roll. He has horizontal stabilizers in front of his center of mass, and gets away with it, somehow. Hardly a conventional design I'd say.
Hmm, Homura-Madoka needs 1:14-1:15 for this race. Sadly this track doesn't seem to have any difficult corner at all, so I have little hope of slaying the shakers a second time. D:
If only I knew how to build a plane that handles properly, I seem to be only able to build planes that can either fly straight or corner tightly, not planes that can do both. D:
On the bright side, I'm probably the only one with a plane that goes from 0 to 1500 mph in less than 3 seconds, I might be able to sacrifice some more top speed.
@SuperSanic It also needs to fly through a tight gate and fly somewhat close to the ground quite often. It feels like some sort of mix between daredevil and Indy Air Race.
Anyway, I made a 175 kg plane with the engine power of 45 F-16's apparently. I wanted to make it lighter but the physics engine doesn't approve for some reason. It needs 41 seconds to complete the track and is somewhat reliable. :D
And now I'm suffering because I don't have any planes with landing gears that fly well. And I'm too busy with learning Japanese, work, chess and weeb stuff to make a new plane. D:
It seems that I don't have a plane that is both agile enough for this course and has landing gear. I will need to actually build a new plane again or just not join this one like some sort of dullard.
Also a bit late, but I don't necessarily recommend going faster than my plane, I only made my plane this fast rather than going for more reliability last tournament because I suffer from 'need to be 1 second faster than KiNo' syndrome.
@beastpilot124 `
Dunno, I can't see anything odd. Tournament Validator screams modded rpm, but your props are at 1900 rpm which is definitely the default value for Turbo Props.
@beastpilot124
No I mean opening your plane's XML file in notepad++ to add control panels to structural wings. Structural wings support control surfaces with minimal XML magic.
@beastpilot124
For Jet race planes you typically want structural wings with control surfaces, because normal wings are too flimsy and tend to do weird stuff at high speeds.
Anyway, back in the day one of my top tournament strategies was to announce the fastest time I get in testing, look on as people make faster planes. Make a slower but more reliable plane myself and watch on as all those planes suffer from reliability issues, how I've missed these tournaments.
That said, my current plane isn't that slow, it is a second faster than the plane with which KiNo won the mod class tournament. Leaving me suspicious of how a plane manages to complete the course in less than a 3rd of that time.
Anyway, my experience with planes that are much faster than my slowish jets is that they usually lose in round 1 or 2 due to massive reliability issues. The AI does not approve of our desires to go fast.
It seems to survive, uh most of the time and not to be modded, so good enough, might get me another win, who knows. Sometimes I wonder whether I should have wasted my time on making a start up rocket or such nonsense.
Oh this is still a thing? How fun. I'll check whether my previous plane was modded or not and whether it is still reliable. So, I hopefully still got 54-55 with high reliability.
@Baldovino
Now I'm curious, if you are not using a shaker than how are you reaching such speeds? I'm pretty sure those speeds are impossible to reach in such a short time with just gravitational energy, so what's the trick? Or am I just being stupid and not remembering physics properly? :S
@EarthwormJim
Where were you? I can't show my full power without a proper rival.
Some advice for how to do well in airplane tournaments, for future tournaments:
+1https://www.simpleplanes.com/Forums/View/1103263/How-to-win-airplane-tournaments
@randomusername
+1In mod tournaments it isn't that is why they are called mod tournaments. I changed my post a bit for clarity about that.
After having saved humanity from the glitch planes years ago, I failed humanity in the rematch. I'm sorry everyone. I couldn't channel enough yuri-power I guess. GG @bjac0
+3@Baldovino
Can't really blame him for that time, I kind of totally forgot about multiple tournaments and missed the last few. D:
I'm kind of sad that there are only 62 competitors this time. Less crashes to admire and stuff. D:
@plane918273645
Usually tournaments start a little while after the deadline. Usually within an hour.
@Baldovino
Don't worry I'm just joking, besides I use T-3000's because MORE POWER
@Baldovino
Clearly an inferior rip-off of my Homura-Madoka. I recommend adding more engines, there is still time.
Presumably with me being clearly defeated this time.
+1I was kinda looking forward to being crushed by these airbrake propulsion planes, but I guess I'll have to make do with Homura-Madoka vs the shakers round 2.
+1Oh, I see, they crashed the tournament. D:
I forgot to watch this. And I won??? What happened to the glitch planes?
@0n33
Also beware that group 8 won't activate during the race. So using detachers during the race is impossible. (maybe it is possible by doing weird stuff with the xml, but whatever)
@Hedero
Definitely the wrong place to ask, and the wrong person to ask. Try asking your question to the mod's author on Overload's mod page. https://www.simpleplanes.com/Mods/View/524146/Overload
@owenliu
Just about everything Overload does can be considered xml modding. Not all xml-modding is dissallowed though. From the top of my head: everything related to engines, fuel, weight or scale are the forbidden parts. If you ever are unsure whether your plane obeys all rules, there is a validate button in the designer's airplanes properties menu.
@Chancey21 @owenliu
+1It's fine as long as all predecessors are your own. I've entered at least a dozen tournaments with planes that had predecessors of my own.
@ThePlaninatior
Predecessors are allowed as long as all predecessors are made by you.
@ThePlaninatior
Allow me to introduce you to KiNo's DampfWespe, the plane that won Indy air race 2 times, and only didn't win the third because he didn't participate. And I'd argue it is the best racing plane ever made in this game. https://www.simpleplanes.com/a/AWJ57e/D-AMPF-wespe-VI
It has huge surfaces on his giant horizontal stabilizers bound to roll. He has horizontal stabilizers in front of his center of mass, and gets away with it, somehow. Hardly a conventional design I'd say.
Hmm, Homura-Madoka needs 1:14-1:15 for this race. Sadly this track doesn't seem to have any difficult corner at all, so I have little hope of slaying the shakers a second time. D:
I kind of forgot about this tournament and uploading a plane that could at least finish the course. D:
@Tank6376
AI doesn't use any AG (and nr 8, isn't activated by default, unlike in the the game!), and you only need a landing gear for lift off.
@Tank6376
That is why you need loads of drag. My plane needs like 2-3 seconds to get withing 100mph of its top speed.
If only I knew how to build a plane that handles properly, I seem to be only able to build planes that can either fly straight or corner tightly, not planes that can do both. D:
On the bright side, I'm probably the only one with a plane that goes from 0 to 1500 mph in less than 3 seconds, I might be able to sacrifice some more top speed.
@SuperSanic It also needs to fly through a tight gate and fly somewhat close to the ground quite often. It feels like some sort of mix between daredevil and Indy Air Race.
Anyway, I made a 175 kg plane with the engine power of 45 F-16's apparently. I wanted to make it lighter but the physics engine doesn't approve for some reason. It needs 41 seconds to complete the track and is somewhat reliable. :D
@SuperSanic
But you want to have loads of drag for good acceleration.
Oh, joy, my Serpen has a non zero chance of reaching the finish alive. 35 seconds and a reliability of about 10% or so. I'm definitely going to win.
And now I'm suffering because I don't have any planes with landing gears that fly well. And I'm too busy with learning Japanese, work, chess and weeb stuff to make a new plane. D:
@EarthwormJim
I entered with the same plane that won that race last time. And proceeded to lose in the first round. :D
It seems that I don't have a plane that is both agile enough for this course and has landing gear. I will need to actually build a new plane again or just not join this one like some sort of dullard.
Seems like various people figured out why none of the unlimited class tournaments were won by a plane that left its engine on the ground.
+1Also a bit late, but I don't necessarily recommend going faster than my plane, I only made my plane this fast rather than going for more reliability last tournament because I suffer from 'need to be 1 second faster than KiNo' syndrome.
So, let's put down guesses on in which round my plane will randomly horribly crash, making me lose the tournament. I'm going for round 3.
@beastpilot124 `
Dunno, I can't see anything odd. Tournament Validator screams modded rpm, but your props are at 1900 rpm which is definitely the default value for Turbo Props.
Indie Air Race hates me.
I hope my plane doesn't show its not quite 100% reliability at round 2 like in Indie Air Race.
@beastpilot124
As far as I know, iOS is the only operating system on which editing the XML stuff is impossible.
@beastpilot124
+1No I mean opening your plane's XML file in notepad++ to add control panels to structural wings. Structural wings support control surfaces with minimal XML magic.
@beastpilot124
For Jet race planes you typically want structural wings with control surfaces, because normal wings are too flimsy and tend to do weird stuff at high speeds.
Anyway, back in the day one of my top tournament strategies was to announce the fastest time I get in testing, look on as people make faster planes. Make a slower but more reliable plane myself and watch on as all those planes suffer from reliability issues, how I've missed these tournaments.
+4That said, my current plane isn't that slow, it is a second faster than the plane with which KiNo won the mod class tournament. Leaving me suspicious of how a plane manages to complete the course in less than a 3rd of that time.
+1Anyway, my experience with planes that are much faster than my slowish jets is that they usually lose in round 1 or 2 due to massive reliability issues. The AI does not approve of our desires to go fast.
+1@Chancey21 Last time I played tournaments you were at risk of glitching through the finish as well if you go too fast.
+2Since this is a repeat though, I do wonder how many copies of my plane I will see this time. :S
+3It seems to survive, uh most of the time and not to be modded, so good enough, might get me another win, who knows. Sometimes I wonder whether I should have wasted my time on making a start up rocket or such nonsense.
Oh this is still a thing? How fun. I'll check whether my previous plane was modded or not and whether it is still reliable. So, I hopefully still got 54-55 with high reliability.
@Baldovino
Now I'm curious, if you are not using a shaker than how are you reaching such speeds? I'm pretty sure those speeds are impossible to reach in such a short time with just gravitational energy, so what's the trick? Or am I just being stupid and not remembering physics properly? :S
The return of the shaker tournament? Oh well, I don't really have the time anymore for making proper tournament planes anyway.
@marcox43
There is an easy solution to your troubles, just make OP planes yourself. :P