Ok so I downloaded it and ya your swaybars don't work, notice how much your front suspension bounces, it's like there's no damping happening at all and ya the shocks don't even compress, your swaybars can't compress inward and thus hold the suspension as close to where it spawns as possible, your cantilever appears to work but the swaybar just keeps it locked in place. Genural rule of thumb is test the suspension first and see that it all moves the same when you add the sway's, and if you notice that your front wheels wheels camber in when the suspension appears to compress, it's a good sign that connections are flexing to absorb shock instead of the suspension flexing to absorb the shock. Basically it means something is connected where it shouldn't, or your sway bar has locked it all up.
On my G1 you'll see a similar effect but it's clear that the suspension is so stiff that the wheels bend some, the G1 also has a lot less bounce and you can see the cantilever's compress significantly so it's clear that my suspension system is fluid even with the swaybar.
Anyways I'll mess with your suspension some Monday and send it to you via private so you can see what I did.
So you took my body, ripped the chassis off, squished the body a bit and put some very strange suspension under it? You've defeated it's perpous, it's no longer a realistic vechile.
Yep thinking next thing is going to be a 4x4 bronco and then I'll build the 6x6, then I auctualy have one more idea for this vechile so I think I'll do the V3 4x4 blazer as well anyways thanks for the upvotes.
@Night6gamer It's a mod called "upload with screenshots" available for Android and PC, it must be used in tandem with another mod called "freecam" to work and it's really hard to do properly, just tap the 3 lines in the upper right corner of your screen and go to the stuffs section, or literally look up the SP mods, thier pretty helpful for getting cool eye catching shots for the workshop. I only started using them recently and it makes one hell of a difference.
@TrislandianAlliance that's the goal, dogfighting is really lacking realism in SP, and this fighter makes both the AI and Player have to really think about how thier next manover will better or lessen thier chances. What's cool is the AI can't really do this and thus you can eaisaly out pilot it, which is rather rare in SP, so I'm pretty happy with it.
If you know anything about how to properly dogfight, you will enjoy this aircrafts capabilitys, and the way it capture's the ideals of U.S. Nato Style, energy state, conscience, dogfighting.
I auctualy scaled this up and found out that basically you need some type of abality to keep the craft from drifting left or right and with the bigger version Being so heavy and using all the controlls for pitch roll and up and down it's not worth uploading, it's way too hard to fly.
@Rymanx03 I thought the draw on my phone would be bigger too, I think it boils down to the fact that only 155 of the parts are in he chassis the rest are fixed bits of the body so they don't need as much computing power? Anyways thanks, whole goal of this chassis is realisim.
@LiamW thanks, I build and test completely on mobile, I have pixle2 so I've survived well and manage to run lost everything I build pretty well but the game don't like leaf spring.
For some context to what I'm going through making the body, currently The version with the body has 520 parts, and this has 350 and all ready lags terribly, the version with the body is in the range of 3-10 fps.
Main improved thing is the front suspension, it now clears the wheels wells and no longer just combusts from impacts which cause it to compress fully, it's incredibly robust now, hopefully you'll like the improvements.
@LiamW yep, invencible when compressed, as in the compression can't break it yet, even though it shouldn't be able to stretch in the first place, they indeed break super eaisaly when stretched.
So ya, basically for suspension to not break, what ever the shocks are supporting must be constrained via limiting the rotators so that the parts connected to either end of the shock can't hit each other, you can't over compress the suspension block, you can only make your arms or mounting points at the ends of the shock hit each other.
@LiamW Yes, I'd be totally up for that, sounds like a great challenge. Also the biggest thing I found is suspension can't break if over compressed, what happens is the parts attached to the ends of the suspension pice hit each other when the suspension pice or block is compressed all the way and that's how the suspension breakers and rotators catch fire etc. I discovered this by expairimenting and finding that you can basically push the suspension infinitely.
Also yes, for the people that have fallowed, I'm making a full leaf spring Dakar rally truck for V4, it's going to be so much better then the 4 link with leaf spring all around, it's just the right scale for it.
I'm probably going to rebuild the front and upload a different variant of this chassis as SCT V5 but for now here's what I got, she's one hell of a good ride, but the front suspension likes to break the same pice on both sides so going to be working on that.
I left the exhaust on for basically no reason, just for show I guess.
Hey though, mission accomplished, I reduced the part count to 155 parts, and thats compared to 505 with the body so its much more mobile friendly now. Anyone should be able to crawl with out issues, just always be sure to run it in high physics settings.
That steering is redicolusly hard to re work, getting more steering angle out of it was hard but I did it! No clue to the actual angle but this thing sure does better on the proving grounds than V1 because of it.
@Falcon17 ok so parts like the lights, and anything that's had it's scale adjusted are called XML modded parts, you'll find tons of them if you look them up in the search bar on this website, the lights I have came of of a random vechile I downloaded, I also have a big flattened light I've used in a few things, all in all thier just for show. My understanding is the games engine is old, so basically it cannot calculate any rag tracing etc, but it can spawn sprites, the fire and smoke is a Sprite that has no affect on its surroundings, the little light arora's around the are sprites and the jet engine flames are sprites as well, basically for it to work and illuminate the ground the game either needs an engine that can calculate Ray's, also Ray tracing is hard on CPU and takes more processing power. Currently you could make the game spawn more sprites or something like that but currently you can just make bigger sprite's and I have seen some XML moded lights that have elongated sprites but basically it just ended up looking stupid and they can phase through things, anyways what I'm saying is look up like long range light or something, you might just find what your looking for. Also you mentioned glass and for glass to work it needs each piece of "glass" to run a specific script for it to be transparent, and basically it laggs, there is a glass mod, it's cool but it's hard on your CPU as the comments on the mod stated and also there's no mobile support for the mod so I couldn't download it for my self, I Also found that it wasn't adjustable as some comments stated that they wish that instead of making some of the blocks into glass they should have made the hallow fuesaloge block see through instead, they were just kinda pointless in the end and looked stupid, it may have been updated since I saw it so probably still check it out but idk, it's called the Glass mod, anyways need anymore information? I've been with the game since it was released so I've seen how things have progressed and have even spoken with the developers, and I was not expecting it but I think I'm the reason why we have slow motion, I literally just emailed the devs and was like "how hard would it be to make some kind of slow motion slider or something for the next update?" And then the head dev, Andrew Garrison, said, and I quote,"Some of the stuff that you mentioned is on our list to tackle for this update" and now there's slow motion, now he seemed to hint that maybe it may have already
@Falcon17 hey I can't talk right now but in like 3 hours or so I auctualy have a ton of information and know the reasons behind how the head lights don't illuminate the terrain etc, I simply found modded lights from someone that simply modded thier size on the PC version of the game, anyways can't talk, gotta go, I'll get back to you
V1 had even more plush suspension and I'd suggest checking it out if you find this ride to be too bumpy with the sway bars, trust me though, overall it's a better ride, handles great and it's not like it can't off road but this type suspension really shines on the V1 where it's just the leafs, no swaybars, and physics at its finest.
Kinda funny looking back, it's came a long way .
Link to V1:
https://www.simpleplanes.com/a/SsV94L/Leaf-Spring-Suspension-Work-Truck-V1
@LiamW ya, it's really hard to get right but when it works it's allways an incredible feat of engineering, and as usual for suspension the physics are there in SP, you just gotta execute the design properly.
I feel like this must have the record for an 8x8 class or something, but don't think it should hold the record for 4 wheeles 4 engines, nothing else but the chassis and suspension wonder what the record is for something like that, I got 39 seconds on my vechile, no mods just a great chassis all in all, also you didn't mention, does this have mods at all?
@KaiyuQian my dude, I have beaten gold prix with vechile, mind you with much practice, in
39 SECONDS, This thing is capable of an under 40 second Gold Prix and I don't think anyone has beaten that with only 4 car engines and no mods or jet engines, I like to think it holds the record but Idk
This thing is a blast to drive on road and off road, ain't going to set any records on road though, the ON ROAD version is made for that.
https://www.simpleplanes.com/a/mca4Mq/G1-On-Road-Performance-Chassis
What do you people think of my cantaliver suspension?
Makes for quite the sight when it's being driven so I left the back of the vechile open so that you can see the suspension at work.
This thing is a blast to drive on road and off road, ain't going to set any records on road though, the ON ROAD version is made for that.
https://www.simpleplanes.com/a/mca4Mq/G1-On-Road-Performance-Chassis
Also if your looking for someone who knows thier stuff, um talk with me in the comments, I have something that can do riding dirty in the realm of 40 seconds, and I have something that has done the Grand Prix in 39 seconds, that vechile can do 444mph and it only uses engines, If I were you I'd check this out, the G1 Racer
https://www.simpleplanes.com/a/mca4Mq/G1-On-Road-Performance-Chassis
Ok so I downloaded it and ya your swaybars don't work, notice how much your front suspension bounces, it's like there's no damping happening at all and ya the shocks don't even compress, your swaybars can't compress inward and thus hold the suspension as close to where it spawns as possible, your cantilever appears to work but the swaybar just keeps it locked in place. Genural rule of thumb is test the suspension first and see that it all moves the same when you add the sway's, and if you notice that your front wheels wheels camber in when the suspension appears to compress, it's a good sign that connections are flexing to absorb shock instead of the suspension flexing to absorb the shock. Basically it means something is connected where it shouldn't, or your sway bar has locked it all up.
Anyways I'll mess with your suspension some Monday and send it to you via private so you can see what I did.
Chances are you haven't driven anything, with 264 parts, using only car engines, has a 0 to 60 of .3 seconds.
So you took my body, ripped the chassis off, squished the body a bit and put some very strange suspension under it? You've defeated it's perpous, it's no longer a realistic vechile.
Yep thinking next thing is going to be a 4x4 bronco and then I'll build the 6x6, then I auctualy have one more idea for this vechile so I think I'll do the V3 4x4 blazer as well anyways thanks for the upvotes.
This honestly was not that hard to build but the final product is just stunning, I'm very happy with it.
@Night6gamer It's a mod called "upload with screenshots" available for Android and PC, it must be used in tandem with another mod called "freecam" to work and it's really hard to do properly, just tap the 3 lines in the upper right corner of your screen and go to the stuffs section, or literally look up the SP mods, thier pretty helpful for getting cool eye catching shots for the workshop. I only started using them recently and it makes one hell of a difference.
@TrislandianAlliance that's the goal, dogfighting is really lacking realism in SP, and this fighter makes both the AI and Player have to really think about how thier next manover will better or lessen thier chances. What's cool is the AI can't really do this and thus you can eaisaly out pilot it, which is rather rare in SP, so I'm pretty happy with it.
If you know anything about how to properly dogfight, you will enjoy this aircrafts capabilitys, and the way it capture's the ideals of U.S. Nato Style, energy state, conscience, dogfighting.
It is designed to do dogfighting right.
@Falcon17 ya, I've been all around the website but sadly no Android version so I can't use it.
I auctualy scaled this up and found out that basically you need some type of abality to keep the craft from drifting left or right and with the bigger version Being so heavy and using all the controlls for pitch roll and up and down it's not worth uploading, it's way too hard to fly.
@Rymanx03 I thought the draw on my phone would be bigger too, I think it boils down to the fact that only 155 of the parts are in he chassis the rest are fixed bits of the body so they don't need as much computing power? Anyways thanks, whole goal of this chassis is realisim.
@tylerdeveneuxmusic me too.
@LiamW thanks, I build and test completely on mobile, I have pixle2 so I've survived well and manage to run lost everything I build pretty well but the game don't like leaf spring.
For some context to what I'm going through making the body, currently The version with the body has 520 parts, and this has 350 and all ready lags terribly, the version with the body is in the range of 3-10 fps.
@Lowryder I made a super scale realistic 1969 K5 Blazer you should check out, the suspension on it is incredible
@Lowryder ya, I tested a shorter version and it does work but you don't get as much compression out of it and it handles worse.
Main improved thing is the front suspension, it now clears the wheels wells and no longer just combusts from impacts which cause it to compress fully, it's incredibly robust now, hopefully you'll like the improvements.
@LiamW Thanks
@LiamW it is complete, I have uploaded the chassis, named
Rock Bouncer Project
@LiamW ok, I'll have it up tommorow morning if not in the next 30 or so minutes.
@LiamW ok want me to do that and upload it?
@LiamW yep, invencible when compressed, as in the compression can't break it yet, even though it shouldn't be able to stretch in the first place, they indeed break super eaisaly when stretched.
@LiamW I uploaded a suspension physics demonstration that kinda shows why suspension can be made practically invencible if done right.
@LiamW
So ya, basically for suspension to not break, what ever the shocks are supporting must be constrained via limiting the rotators so that the parts connected to either end of the shock can't hit each other, you can't over compress the suspension block, you can only make your arms or mounting points at the ends of the shock hit each other.
@LiamW Yes, I'd be totally up for that, sounds like a great challenge. Also the biggest thing I found is suspension can't break if over compressed, what happens is the parts attached to the ends of the suspension pice hit each other when the suspension pice or block is compressed all the way and that's how the suspension breakers and rotators catch fire etc. I discovered this by expairimenting and finding that you can basically push the suspension infinitely.
Also yes, for the people that have fallowed, I'm making a full leaf spring Dakar rally truck for V4, it's going to be so much better then the 4 link with leaf spring all around, it's just the right scale for it.
@VerldVarIII welcome
@VerldVarIII you find the chassis I uploaded? It's 155 parts, uploaded it yesterday. Literally just the chassis
I'm probably going to rebuild the front and upload a different variant of this chassis as SCT V5 but for now here's what I got, she's one hell of a good ride, but the front suspension likes to break the same pice on both sides so going to be working on that.
@wello I see no issues with that, I think about 3 people took it and put wings and blocks all over it, ya so be my guest, go right ahead
I left the exhaust on for basically no reason, just for show I guess.
Hey though, mission accomplished, I reduced the part count to 155 parts, and thats compared to 505 with the body so its much more mobile friendly now. Anyone should be able to crawl with out issues, just always be sure to run it in high physics settings.
@CrashFighter05 I think I'll do that for V3, as well as add a full interior and more small scale details.
That steering is redicolusly hard to re work, getting more steering angle out of it was hard but I did it! No clue to the actual angle but this thing sure does better on the proving grounds than V1 because of it.
@Falcon17 ok good to know, Ill see what Andrew thinks
@Falcon17 ok so parts like the lights, and anything that's had it's scale adjusted are called XML modded parts, you'll find tons of them if you look them up in the search bar on this website, the lights I have came of of a random vechile I downloaded, I also have a big flattened light I've used in a few things, all in all thier just for show. My understanding is the games engine is old, so basically it cannot calculate any rag tracing etc, but it can spawn sprites, the fire and smoke is a Sprite that has no affect on its surroundings, the little light arora's around the are sprites and the jet engine flames are sprites as well, basically for it to work and illuminate the ground the game either needs an engine that can calculate Ray's, also Ray tracing is hard on CPU and takes more processing power. Currently you could make the game spawn more sprites or something like that but currently you can just make bigger sprite's and I have seen some XML moded lights that have elongated sprites but basically it just ended up looking stupid and they can phase through things, anyways what I'm saying is look up like long range light or something, you might just find what your looking for. Also you mentioned glass and for glass to work it needs each piece of "glass" to run a specific script for it to be transparent, and basically it laggs, there is a glass mod, it's cool but it's hard on your CPU as the comments on the mod stated and also there's no mobile support for the mod so I couldn't download it for my self, I Also found that it wasn't adjustable as some comments stated that they wish that instead of making some of the blocks into glass they should have made the hallow fuesaloge block see through instead, they were just kinda pointless in the end and looked stupid, it may have been updated since I saw it so probably still check it out but idk, it's called the Glass mod, anyways need anymore information? I've been with the game since it was released so I've seen how things have progressed and have even spoken with the developers, and I was not expecting it but I think I'm the reason why we have slow motion, I literally just emailed the devs and was like "how hard would it be to make some kind of slow motion slider or something for the next update?" And then the head dev, Andrew Garrison, said, and I quote,"Some of the stuff that you mentioned is on our list to tackle for this update" and now there's slow motion, now he seemed to hint that maybe it may have already
@Falcon17 hey I can't talk right now but in like 3 hours or so I auctualy have a ton of information and know the reasons behind how the head lights don't illuminate the terrain etc, I simply found modded lights from someone that simply modded thier size on the PC version of the game, anyways can't talk, gotta go, I'll get back to you
@Vrferret, noted, realistic steering for the next big scale build,
Thanks for the upvotes! 😁
Hard work pays off!
Also, this ONLY works at PHYSICS SETTINGS: HIGH
V1 had even more plush suspension and I'd suggest checking it out if you find this ride to be too bumpy with the sway bars, trust me though, overall it's a better ride, handles great and it's not like it can't off road but this type suspension really shines on the V1 where it's just the leafs, no swaybars, and physics at its finest.
Kinda funny looking back, it's came a long way .
Link to V1:
https://www.simpleplanes.com/a/SsV94L/Leaf-Spring-Suspension-Work-Truck-V1
@LiamW ya, it's really hard to get right but when it works it's allways an incredible feat of engineering, and as usual for suspension the physics are there in SP, you just gotta execute the design properly.
I feel like this must have the record for an 8x8 class or something, but don't think it should hold the record for 4 wheeles 4 engines, nothing else but the chassis and suspension wonder what the record is for something like that, I got 39 seconds on my vechile, no mods just a great chassis all in all, also you didn't mention, does this have mods at all?
@KaiyuQian my dude, I have beaten gold prix with vechile, mind you with much practice, in
39 SECONDS, This thing is capable of an under 40 second Gold Prix and I don't think anyone has beaten that with only 4 car engines and no mods or jet engines, I like to think it holds the record but Idk
This thing is a blast to drive on road and off road, ain't going to set any records on road though, the ON ROAD version is made for that.
https://www.simpleplanes.com/a/mca4Mq/G1-On-Road-Performance-Chassis
@RailfanEthan yes, got to have good traction and ground clearance, also It's re-uploaded and fixed.
I broke the steering before uploading, reuploading now.
What do you people think of my cantaliver suspension?
Makes for quite the sight when it's being driven so I left the back of the vechile open so that you can see the suspension at work.
This thing is a blast to drive on road and off road, ain't going to set any records on road though, the ON ROAD version is made for that.
https://www.simpleplanes.com/a/mca4Mq/G1-On-Road-Performance-Chassis
Also if your looking for someone who knows thier stuff, um talk with me in the comments, I have something that can do riding dirty in the realm of 40 seconds, and I have something that has done the Grand Prix in 39 seconds, that vechile can do 444mph and it only uses engines, If I were you I'd check this out, the G1 Racer
https://www.simpleplanes.com/a/mca4Mq/G1-On-Road-Performance-Chassis