@Kangy So „mission accomplished“? You gotta be kiddin: Vietnam was a f*cking disaster, both in terms of PR and traumatic damage to all nations involved. But we’re way too far into politics here anyway, let’s talk about planes again.
@Maverick09 Look, I don’t have a problem with patriotism, but I do take issue with a „joke“ that calls for annihilating entire countries, no matter how evil their leaders may be. It’s happening right now around the world and it just isn’t a joke. Thanks for understanding and wanting to cooperate.
As a fellow Tornado-lover I really appreciate this build. There are so many good things about it, I don’t know where to begin: the overall shape, the thrust reversers, the custom afterburners, the cockpit (!)… the two-tone Marineflieger livery. Awesome!
However, allow me to also suggest some ideas for further improvement:
Loadout/weapon stations: the two outboard weapon stations never really carry any weapons on the Tornado: they’re reserved for counter measures (electronic and chaff/flare dispenser). The inner stations usually carry one drop tank and one A2A missile each, there is no third station on that pylon, like, for example, on the F-15 Eagle. The heavier ordnance is carried under the fuselage
Variant: the fact that the German Navy‘s ‚Marineflieger‘ used the IDS variant. However, your build pretty much resembles the British GR.4 variant with enhanced sensors under the chin. Germany never had this variant. So it’s either IDS or Gr. Mk. 4. The German air force also uses the ECR Tornado which is geared for electronic warfare but, for example, doesn’t have the two cannons. Check out my IDS build for reference. It’s way lower quality than yours in many respects. But it does stay true to the variant‘s specifics.
But again: all of this is just nitpicking because I love this plane so much. 😉
@MrCOPTY Well, in fact I didn’t. It’s custom-made my friend! Although I will say I did try out the premade one in an attempt to save parts, but I really couldn’t make it fit, so I didn’t end up using it after all.
@Lerkov1991 Thank you! Sort of. It's still a work in progress, but lately, I rarely find time to work on SP stuff. But I'm glad you're still interested. I might upload the project's current iteration soon.
Cool project. I really dig the form factor and the general design. Internal weapons bays are also super cool!
Some tips that might help improve flight characteristics:
Have the v-tail stabs face down a little more and give them combined pitch/roll/yaw control by using rotators instead of default control surfaces. You may also want to increase their overall size a little bit.
Focus less on speed and more on agility (see above)
Whatever landing gear you end up using: move the main gear a good bit forward for a more realistic look. Also, the plane will rotate better on take-off. I know, they‘d be in the way of the bay door opening. But you‘ll find a way ;-) The plane‘s tiny anyway, you might as well end up extending its overall length…
This is gonna be an excellent fighter when it’s done, I’m sure.
@Stephen22 Too little time. I’ve been working on builds on and off but couldn’t bring myself to finish either of them so far. They’ll come… eventually. 😉
Hi there, cool build! There’s one detail you missed about the Danish F-35A variant: the ‚hump’ on its back (between the v-stabs) is not a luneburg lens. That’s actually the housing for the brake chute. A number of countries have set this as a requirement, among them Belgium, Denmark, The Netherlands, Norway and, prospectively, Germany. You can find more info here: https://www.f35.com/f35/news-and-features/the-f35a-drag-chute-system.html
And luneburg lenses are detachable (though not in-flight), so they’re not used permanently or on every sortie/mission. Same goes for the aforementioned drag chute system, by the way.
@1031367473 Well, there is the option of employing either a 23mm (GSh copy) or a 25mm cannon (Bushmaster copy), none of which I’d necessarily call „small“. Sure, it’s no Apache … but everything upward of 20mm is considered a cannon and can pack quite an explosive punch. ;-)
This is incredibly well-built and even handles nicely! Impressive work - and not just for a newcomer. Great parts economy, too. This is close to pro-level. It is only slightly larger than 1:1 scale but that doesn't take away from the quality. May I suggest you add an actual cannon to the turret instead of a wing gun?
Excited to see if this receives more upgrades. You are definitely ready for your own builds!
@Falkenwut I’d like to go more into detail on this: since cannons seem to be a substantial part of this philosophy, it would only seem natural to able to modify the vanilla cannon so as to simulate an appropriate rate of fire, impact damage and overall „feel“ (as we all know, the wing gun and minigun are not particularly good at either). What’s your take on that?
Another cool little gem. Again: very smooth controls and great flying characteristics. One little thing occurred to me: the rudder seems to be stuck (at least when I downloaded and flew it first). It required changing some faulty connections and reattaching it to the hinge rotators. I assume the tail wheel is supposed to actuate with the rudder?
Besides that: I really think you should keep the color choice for your original creations. Really makes them stand out plus you already got your own little ‚brand’. Maybe call it
„Byrde Aviation“ or „Byrde‘s Flight“
… or something Iike that. 😉
Anyway, keep up the great work and come check out my builds if you feel like it. I’d appreciate your feedback as well, since you obviously have a knack for making controllable planes.
@MentallyDistorted I see. I went ahead and looked into it … looks like I fixed it. I removed the left main wing (the actual airfoil - not the cosmetic one) and mirrored the right one to take its place. Reversed the flap on the new left - et voila! No more auto-roll :-) Here you go, in case you wanna update your XML: https://www.simpleplanes.com/a/lv87nd/Lockheed-EC-121-Warning-Star-auto-roll-fixed
Great build! Just some quick notes: the elevators seem to be stuck due to faulty connections (they need to be connected to the hinge rotators only and those need to be inverted). Similarly, your ailerons are synchronized, meaning: they both move in the same direction (solution: invert the right aileron’s hinge rotator and you’re fine!).
I really like how your builds are improving and especially the use of fuselage parts for the wings is a major step up!
@WolfHunter9111 I dig it. Whenever I get around to polishing this one up, I was gonna call it the „Boeing A-21 Invader II“ (as an Hommage to the WWII-era Douglas A-20 Invader), but your idea is actually quite cool!
Probably manufactured by SpaceX
+2T!
+1TOMCATS!!
+1Is it invincible? I get hit by AA missiles and nothing happens. Other than that: great build!!
+1@Kangy So „mission accomplished“? You gotta be kiddin: Vietnam was a f*cking disaster, both in terms of PR and traumatic damage to all nations involved. But we’re way too far into politics here anyway, let’s talk about planes again.
+1Beautiful build, and presentation, aesthetically speaking. Ok parts economy for a fully armed fighter. Performance and armament are kinda comical.
Details:
- Storm Shadow is a subsonic cruise missile. Not a hypersonic weapon. I literally killed myself with it while in a slight turn
- Afterburners don’t work quite right: flame is always present, nozzles close as AB is fully engaged (it’s the other way round IRL)
- acceleration is waay over the top
- maneuverability is fun but far from realistic
+1Holy moly, this is some high quality modeling! Flies very smoothly as well. Great work!
+1@Maverick09 Look, I don’t have a problem with patriotism, but I do take issue with a „joke“ that calls for annihilating entire countries, no matter how evil their leaders may be. It’s happening right now around the world and it just isn’t a joke. Thanks for understanding and wanting to cooperate.
+1@SC2311 Thanks, I really wasn’t fishing for compliments here, but I appreciate the feedback!
+1As a fellow Tornado-lover I really appreciate this build. There are so many good things about it, I don’t know where to begin: the overall shape, the thrust reversers, the custom afterburners, the cockpit (!)… the two-tone Marineflieger livery. Awesome!
However, allow me to also suggest some ideas for further improvement:
But again: all of this is just nitpicking because I love this plane so much. 😉
+1Hey @WinsWings, thanks for the runner-up accolades! Really appreciate your words on my build.
+1I had this as a toy like 30 years ago! I think it was from the MicroMachines franchise. Always loved the design. Cool build!
+1@MrCOPTY Cool beans! Appreciate the feedback and the praise.
+1@MrCOPTY Well, in fact I didn’t. It’s custom-made my friend! Although I will say I did try out the premade one in an attempt to save parts, but I really couldn’t make it fit, so I didn’t end up using it after all.
+1@WinsWings @Vikram123 Thanks guys!
+1@WisconsinStatePolice Got it. Didn‘t see it that way.
+1So why not commit and call it an F-15 replica? It’s got the all stuff.
+1@LunarEclipseSP You build Big Rigs, they build a toilet. Both in in SimplePLANES. So go figure.
+1@Lerkov1991 Thank you! Sort of. It's still a work in progress, but lately, I rarely find time to work on SP stuff. But I'm glad you're still interested. I might upload the project's current iteration soon.
+1Cool project. I really dig the form factor and the general design. Internal weapons bays are also super cool!
Some tips that might help improve flight characteristics:
This is gonna be an excellent fighter when it’s done, I’m sure.
+1@Stephen22 Too little time. I’ve been working on builds on and off but couldn’t bring myself to finish either of them so far. They’ll come… eventually. 😉
+1You’re really good at this, aren’t you! :-)
+1Hi there, cool build! There’s one detail you missed about the Danish F-35A variant: the ‚hump’ on its back (between the v-stabs) is not a luneburg lens. That’s actually the housing for the brake chute. A number of countries have set this as a requirement, among them Belgium, Denmark, The Netherlands, Norway and, prospectively, Germany. You can find more info here: https://www.f35.com/f35/news-and-features/the-f35a-drag-chute-system.html
And luneburg lenses are detachable (though not in-flight), so they’re not used permanently or on every sortie/mission. Same goes for the aforementioned drag chute system, by the way.
Cheers
+1This would have every right to call itself an S-3 replica since it is, in fact, better than most S-3 replicas on here. Nice job!
+1@spectre118 Same here! I’m on iOS.
+1T for sure! Finally someone does the Comanche justice ... again! ;-)
+1I read „Japanese burger“ and didn’t even think twice.
+1Best contribution in months by anyone! :-)
+1Love the simplicity while getting the look & feel spot on! Check out my Tornados, if you like: 217 parts basic version and 533 parts ASSTA 3.1 version with LGBs
:-)
+1@1031367473 Well, there is the option of employing either a 23mm (GSh copy) or a 25mm cannon (Bushmaster copy), none of which I’d necessarily call „small“. Sure, it’s no Apache … but everything upward of 20mm is considered a cannon and can pack quite an explosive punch. ;-)
+1This is incredibly well-built and even handles nicely! Impressive work - and not just for a newcomer. Great parts economy, too. This is close to pro-level. It is only slightly larger than 1:1 scale but that doesn't take away from the quality. May I suggest you add an actual cannon to the turret instead of a wing gun?
Excited to see if this receives more upgrades. You are definitely ready for your own builds!
+1T! This looks fun!
+1Holy moly. This is all I could ever ask for!
+1@IdnManufacturer that explains my phone checking out 😂
+1Phone says no to saving it to my SP collection. Damn shame, looks awesome!
+1That target locking system is friggin awesome!!
+1@Falkenwut , that seems fair, thanks for specifying!
+1@Falkenwut I’d like to go more into detail on this: since cannons seem to be a substantial part of this philosophy, it would only seem natural to able to modify the vanilla cannon so as to simulate an appropriate rate of fire, impact damage and overall „feel“ (as we all know, the wing gun and minigun are not particularly good at either). What’s your take on that?
+1T!
That’s gonna be a beauty to fly!
+1Another cool little gem. Again: very smooth controls and great flying characteristics. One little thing occurred to me: the rudder seems to be stuck (at least when I downloaded and flew it first). It required changing some faulty connections and reattaching it to the hinge rotators. I assume the tail wheel is supposed to actuate with the rudder?
Besides that: I really think you should keep the color choice for your original creations. Really makes them stand out plus you already got your own little ‚brand’. Maybe call it
„Byrde Aviation“ or „Byrde‘s Flight“
… or something Iike that. 😉
+1Anyway, keep up the great work and come check out my builds if you feel like it. I’d appreciate your feedback as well, since you obviously have a knack for making controllable planes.
@WolfHunter9111 $£%¥ plen. Gotta flesh it out at some point.
+1@WolfHunter9111 Oh ja!
+1@TheCommentaryGuy You win the comment section! :-D
+1@MentallyDistorted Thanks!
+1Congratulations, mate! Incredible progression in terms of output, hosting challenges and improving your build quality! Cheers
+1@MentallyDistorted I see. I went ahead and looked into it … looks like I fixed it. I removed the left main wing (the actual airfoil - not the cosmetic one) and mirrored the right one to take its place. Reversed the flap on the new left - et voila! No more auto-roll :-) Here you go, in case you wanna update your XML: https://www.simpleplanes.com/a/lv87nd/Lockheed-EC-121-Warning-Star-auto-roll-fixed
So it was simply a glitch. Not your fault at all!
Cheers
+1Great build! Just some quick notes: the elevators seem to be stuck due to faulty connections (they need to be connected to the hinge rotators only and those need to be inverted). Similarly, your ailerons are synchronized, meaning: they both move in the same direction (solution: invert the right aileron’s hinge rotator and you’re fine!).
I really like how your builds are improving and especially the use of fuselage parts for the wings is a major step up!
+1@WolfHunter9111 Ha! Now I see it too. Totally!
+1@WolfHunter9111 Got it. That’s why I thought it was clever. ;-)
+1@WolfHunter9111 I dig it. Whenever I get around to polishing this one up, I was gonna call it the „Boeing A-21 Invader II“ (as an Hommage to the WWII-era Douglas A-20 Invader), but your idea is actually quite cool!
+1